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Lazy daze ruined me for RV buying
As per a previous post on this subject I bought back my  "total loss"LD for 2k after selling it to someone that backed into a tree and poked the ladder through the outer skin. Did great on the deal because I sold it to him for two k more than I paid for it and then bought it back with that profit so essentially I had a free LD. As per yet another thread on this subject I had decided to give up on RVing because it's getting so crowded out there and I very recently sold the LD again for a sum I won't disclose because it's a bit embarrassing and makes it look like  greedy profiteering which it possibly was. LOL
Now for how the LD ruined me. I decided to try another route and get a small off road type trailer that I could drag out past the crowds and try to find some of the solitude I once could in the springtime desert. Been looking at the Jayco Baja and R-pod among others and all I can say is after owning an LD these things just look like crap as far as build quality goes and I just can't bring myself to pull the trigger on one. It's like getting used to champagne and then being forced to drink Ripple or maybe even Mad Dog 20-20. Thanks for nothing Lazy Daze! :D
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Re: Lazy daze ruined me for RV buying
Reply #1
Bitter bites there, Sawyer!   ;D
Steve S.
Lazy Bones & Cedar
2004 30'IB (Island Bed)
Yesterday is History, Tomorrow is a Mystery
Live for the day!

Re: Lazy daze ruined me for RV buying
Reply #2
Ah, Mogan David wine.

If you want to get out in the boonies, nothing beats a well-built Australian trailer:

Camper Trailers Australia: 7 Best Australian Made Camper Trailers

Disclaimers: tow vehicle not included. Some of these trailers are quite expensive! ;)
Greg & Victoria
2017 Mid-Bath  “Nocona” towing a manual 2015 Forester
Previously a 1985 TK
SKP #61264

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Reply #3
Ah, Mogan David wine.

If you want to get out in the boonies, nothing beats a well-built Australian trailer:

Camper Trailers Australia: 7 Best Australian Made Camper Trailers

Disclaimers: tow vehicle not included. Some of these trailers are quite expensive! ;)

Nice rigs but too small for my better half who is the one that got us out of our 4x4 pickup with a camper because it suddenly became to cramped after ten plus years of being fine. Go figure. Now I'm looking for something with more room than a camper but that can still be towed out into desolate places. Several areas we boondocked this spring had roads going off into the desert that we took bike rides on and found wonderful campsites with nobody for miles. No way to get the LD or a large trailer into them but a small high clearance trailer towed by our 4x4 Tundra would do it easy. What's not easy is finding something like that of any real quality. Maybe LD should start making a little trailer.  :D


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Re: Lazy daze ruined me for RV buying
Reply #4
Go figure. Now I'm looking for something with more room than a camper but that can still be towed out into desolate places. Several areas we boondocked this spring had roads going off into the desert that we took bike rides on and found wonderful campsites with nobody for miles. No way to get the LD or a large trailer into them but a small high clearance trailer towed by our 4x4 Tundra would do it easy. What's not easy is finding something like that of any real quality. Maybe LD should start making a little trailer.  :D

You might then consider a fiberglass Escape trailer. They come in a rare 5th wheel version also. Good quality and fairly light so you could pull with your Tundra, and highly rated by the RV Consumer Group. You can order them (or find one used) with a 4" lift for more clearance.

Home Page - Escape Trailer Industries

You can ask more questions here:  Escape Trailer Owners Community

They are located in BC Canada so not too far from your location, I think, and are custom made to order, selling direct from the factory, similar to Lazy Daze.  Prices listed on the website are in Canadian Dollars so don't have a heart attack when you see them!
Greg & Victoria
2017 Mid-Bath  “Nocona” towing a manual 2015 Forester
Previously a 1985 TK
SKP #61264


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Reply #6
Reminder that Jayco is owned by Thor Ind. as of 2016.  And Thor's reputation for quality builds is....well  ::)  ::)  ;)

We looked at new Jayco 5th wheels a couple of years ago and weren't impressed with the build quality. I also had a conversation at the dealership a guy in the parts department. He said that Jayco was churning them out and there were issues. We saw vinyl flooring puckered up and not adhering in every one we looked at.

Jim

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Reply #7
As mentioned above. The Aussie's have some off road very capable trailers.
Brochure - EXP-6 - BruderX
Bruder EXP-6 is one I have had my eye on. Isn't cheap, especially for a trailer. But it is definitely off road capable.


That being said. You give up a lot of comfort to get the capability to go off road. And as I age, I'm not willing to do that anymore.
Jota
96 23.5 FL

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Reply #8
"Bruder EXP-6 is one I have had my eye on. Isn't cheap,..."

How many of your children do you have to indenture in order to afford it?   :o   ;)
Steve S.
Lazy Bones & Cedar
2004 30'IB (Island Bed)
Yesterday is History, Tomorrow is a Mystery
Live for the day!

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Reply #9
"Bruder EXP-6 is one I have had my eye on. Isn't cheap,..."

How many of your children do you have to indenture in order to afford it?  :o  ;)
Doesn't matter,  they're not coming anyway.....  ;)
Joel & Terry Wiley
dog Zeke
2013  31 IB   Orwan   / 2011 CRV Tow'd LWEROVE

Re: Lazy daze ruined me for RV buying
Reply #10
You might then consider a fiberglass Escape trailer. They come in a rare 5th wheel version also. Good quality and fairly light so you could pull with your Tundra, and highly rated by the RV Consumer Group. You can order them (or find one used) with a 4" lift for more clearance.

Home Page - Escape Trailer Industries

You can ask more questions here:  Escape Trailer Owners Community

They are located in BC Canada so not too far from your location, I think, and are custom made to order, selling direct from the factory, similar to Lazy Daze.  Prices listed on the website are in Canadian Dollars so don't have a heart attack when you see them!

We met a couple at Lake Louise campground who have had their Escape for 3 years and loved it. They were eager to show it to us when I asked about it.  Had not seen one before, and the idea of a relatively small 5th wheel has its merits...

Apparently the business is family owned and factory direct only. Sound familiar?! Take 20% or so off the Canadian price to get an approximate US dollar price.

Pete
Pete
1994 RB

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Reply #11
"Bruder EXP-6 is one I have had my eye on. Isn't cheap,..."

How many of your children do you have to indenture in order to afford it?  :o  ;)
I have no kids to indenture, lucky them.
Stating price is 125,000.00 AUS
The suspension is what makes it pretty capable.

Being pulled by a Mercedes G Wagen.
Sawyer, I don't think anyone will bother you when you finally make camp.

Jota
96 23.5 FL

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Reply #12
Our friends went full time in a gigantic fifth wheel pulled by an MDT truck tractor.  After a couple of years, they sold the tractor, decided to live in the planted 5er and bought a 21 foot Escape.  Two years ago, they spent 220 nights in the Escape and still love it.  The Escape is simple, well built, and comfortable for them.

Too bad they didn't try the Escape first...
2014 27 MB
Towd: Either the Jeep Wrangler or trailer containing the BMW R1200GS and 2 E-bicycles
Happy wife=Happy life

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Reply #13
My bride decided that our extra large Lance camper on a F350 4X4 diesel shrunk to the point that it was no longer a pleasure to camp and explore in. Even after the three kids and a German Shepherd moved out, it was still too small.  I love my bride, but sometimes she is hard to understand...

She wanted a Lazy Daze and we now have one.  She loves it and I like it.  However, unlike the truck/camper, I don't venture very far down Forest Service roads due to the lack of clearance.  The Lazy Daze isn't nearly as well insulated as the Lance and uses all of the same appliances, pumps, lights, etc.

Photo of the spacious accommodations during a thunderstorm.  Dog hates thunderstorms, so must be in with Mom and Dad...

Cramped?  What are you talking about?
2014 27 MB
Towd: Either the Jeep Wrangler or trailer containing the BMW R1200GS and 2 E-bicycles
Happy wife=Happy life

Re: Lazy daze ruined me for RV buying
Reply #14
In a lot of ways, the RVing/camping lifestyle was perhaps a mere blip on the screen; a brief moment in time when certain elements came together to create a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.

Consider that most of US Nat'l parks/forests, interstates and campgrounds extant today were first developed in the 1950/60s. However, 50-60 years ago, the population was maybe 1/2 of what it is today. But more importantly, around 1/2 of the earth (Soviet block, Chicoms + India) had decided to opt out of participating in the global economy.

That meant that any American with even a modest income could travel the entire US and enjoy it relatively empty and alone to themselves. Campgrounds weren't full (except for perennial high demand spots like Yosemite), so there wasn't a need to make extensive plans and reservations far in advance, in essence ruining the entire element of adventure, wandering and exploration.

Fast forward to today, and no one who does any traveling at all needs to be told that the E Euros, Chinese & Indians are more than making up for lost time. Those countries/regions represent around 2 *billion* new tourists, flush with new earned wealth, all eager to see the famous sights they've been exposed to for generations. And now, with a fairly inexpensive group tour, they can jet in, get on a bus, and be there.

Now, unlike many others, I'm not complaining. What some of us enjoyed yesteryear was the **anomaly**, not the baseline standard. Who, after getting a free filet mignon steak, would complain they now have to return to their daily fare? Only someone who didn't realize the filet was the exception, not the rule.

The final kicker that really impacts RVing however is the lack of campgrounds. Federal, state and even private campgrounds are practically impossible to build, so the total inventory hasn't kept up with demand. Result: the need to book reservations 6 months in advance, creating a big downer for anyone used to getting on the road and flying by the seat of their pants.

The irony of all this is that it's come full circle back to hotels. Unlike campgrounds, there's no end to the number of mid-range chain hotels (eg Hilton garden inn, HI express, etc) that can be developed along the interstate. So, hotel room rates/availability remains very reasonable, making it easy to plot a trip on the fly.

There's no use looking back to the 60s when the country was practically empty. (I grew up in Santa clara when only the early defense contractors were there. There were still plenty of orchards and ag going on.) We thought Yosemite was crowded if there were a few tour buses. LOL

Moral of the story: adapt - don't try and fit a square plug in a round hole. Don't complain or get bitter. Rather, look back that you were lucky as hell. And figure out how to game and play the system as it exists today.


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Reply #15
"So, hotel room rates/availability remains very reasonable,..."

Nothing over $35-40 is reasonable, much less 'very reasonable'. That was the fare back in the '60s when I quit patronizing Motel/Hotels and I can count on one hand the number of times since then. For a $100 bill they would have to wipe my backside!   >:(
Steve S.
Lazy Bones & Cedar
2004 30'IB (Island Bed)
Yesterday is History, Tomorrow is a Mystery
Live for the day!

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Reply #16
Once one get used to quality quantity is a poor substitute. 

RVing is like lots of things in live a compromise.   I'm sure with enough $$$$ any problem can be solve problem is getting enough money in hand. 

glen
personal fine art photo stuff
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It's all good .......
2014 Twin King

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Reply #17
And that's what gets me...now, so many of the RV Parks/resorts charge $35 to $50 plus a night, and I'M supplying the 'room'...they don't have to have a maid, no cleaning, changing sheets, etc. They are generally charging much more than hotel/motel rooms used to cost. Go figure...now, I do know rooms are usually $100 plus a night...wow! At 02:50 PM 7/29/2019, you wrote:
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"So, hotel room rates/availability remains very reasonable,..."

Nothing over $35-40 is reasonable, much less 'very reasonable'. That was the fare back in the '60s when I quit patronizing Motel/Hotels and I can count on one hand the number of times since then. For a $100 bill they would have to wipe my backside!  >:(
Steve S.

Lazy Bones & Cedar

2004 30'IB (Island Bed)

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Reply #18
"Moral of the story: adapt - don't try and fit a square plug in a round hole. Don't complain or get bitter. Rather, look back that you were lucky as hell. And figure out how to game and play the system as it exists today."
Adapting for me in this case means getting an RV that gets me out of the crowds. I'll adapt to less creature comforts for more quiet  and desolation when I go to the desert just like I adapted to living in  an off grid solar home and living up three miles of dirt road and being snowed in all winter with the only way out by snowmobile or an ATV with tracks on it for a quiet place to live. Once you get used to living that way it's hard to go camping and settle for less. Living and camping like that are not without their challenges but they are not without their rewards either. To each his own though and I'd never attempt to put my values on others or judge their decisions.
Home sweet home.

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Reply #19
"...three miles *up a* dirt road..."

Hey Sawyer, that's kind of a 'rocky' step off that deck! Figgure you've got long legs.   ;)

Like the bird house!
Steve S.
Lazy Bones & Cedar
2004 30'IB (Island Bed)
Yesterday is History, Tomorrow is a Mystery
Live for the day!

Re: Lazy daze ruined me for RV buying
Reply #20
"...three miles *up a* dirt road..."

Hey Sawyer, that's kind of a 'rocky' step off that deck! Figgure you've got long legs.   ;)

Like the bird house!
Not in winter,  it's a level or uphill ski or snowshoe off it..... or so I imagine.  ;)
Joel
Joel & Terry Wiley
dog Zeke
2013  31 IB   Orwan   / 2011 CRV Tow'd LWEROVE

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Reply #21
Snerf.
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... were first developed in the 1950/60s...

A bunch of them at least out West here were built by the CCC in the 30's.  Morro Bay State Park being one of them.
Joel & Terry Wiley
dog Zeke
2013  31 IB   Orwan   / 2011 CRV Tow'd LWEROVE

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Reply #22
In a lot of ways, the RVing/camping lifestyle was perhaps a mere blip on the screen; a brief moment in time when certain elements came together to create a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.

Consider that most of US Nat'l parks/forests, interstates and campgrounds extant today were first developed in the 1950/60s. However, 50-60 years ago, the population was maybe 1/2 of what it is today. But more importantly, around 1/2 of the earth (Soviet block, Chicoms + India) had decided to opt out of participating in the global economy.

That meant that any American with even a modest income could travel the entire US and enjoy it relatively empty and alone to themselves. Campgrounds weren't full (except for perennial high demand spots like Yosemite), so there wasn't a need to make extensive plans and reservations far in advance, in essence ruining the entire element of adventure, wandering and exploration.

Fast forward to today, and no one who does any traveling at all needs to be told that the E Euros, Chinese & Indians are more than making up for lost time. Those countries/regions represent around 2 *billion* new tourists, flush with new earned wealth, all eager to see the famous sights they've been exposed to for generations. And now, with a fairly inexpensive group tour, they can jet in, get on a bus, and be there.

Now, unlike many others, I'm not complaining. What some of us enjoyed yesteryear was the **anomaly**, not the baseline standard. Who, after getting a free filet mignon steak, would complain they now have to return to their daily fare? Only someone who didn't realize the filet was the exception, not the rule.

The final kicker that really impacts RVing however is the lack of campgrounds. Federal, state and even private campgrounds are practically impossible to build, so the total inventory hasn't kept up with demand. Result: the need to book reservations 6 months in advance, creating a big downer for anyone used to getting on the road and flying by the seat of their pants.

The irony of all this is that it's come full circle back to hotels. Unlike campgrounds, there's no end to the number of mid-range chain hotels (eg Hilton garden inn, HI express, etc) that can be developed along the interstate. So, hotel room rates/availability remains very reasonable, making it easy to plot a trip on the fly.

There's no use looking back to the 60s when the country was practically empty. (I grew up in Santa clara when only the early defense contractors were there. There were still plenty of orchards and ag going on.) We thought Yosemite was crowded if there were a few tour buses. LOL

Moral of the story: adapt - don't try and fit a square plug in a round hole. Don't complain or get bitter. Rather, look back that you were lucky as hell. And figure out how to game and play the system as it exists today.

Snerf, I happen to prefer ground beef over steak but that's just me.

So, in effect, what you're saying is this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKERBS1Z_WY

Greg & Victoria
2017 Mid-Bath  “Nocona” towing a manual 2015 Forester
Previously a 1985 TK
SKP #61264

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Reply #23
Found one of these close by for a great price. Has the lift kit raised axle  and oversized tires for getting up rough and rutted roads. These things get fantastic reviews much like LD. Going to look at it tomorrow and told the guy if it's as advertised it's sold! Should get us where we want to go and hold together doing so.
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Reply #24
I’ve done a little research on fiberglass trailers and have seen both the Casita and Escape trailers in person. The Casita is a nice little trailer, but much smaller and not as well built as the Escape from what I hear. A different construction method is used.

There are many Escape owners on the forum I referenced that are prior Casita owners that prefer the Escape. You may want to join both the Escape and Casita forums to get more information before making a purchase decision.
Greg & Victoria
2017 Mid-Bath  “Nocona” towing a manual 2015 Forester
Previously a 1985 TK
SKP #61264