Short wheelbase models April 04, 2019, 11:04:00 am [pulled this discussion out of someone's classified ad topic as a courtesy to the advertiser - Michelle]Just the big boys - it's hard to find short wheelbase models. On that note, we're thinking of selling our 22', but it's only a vague idea right now.Not really into dealing with the general public, nor do we really have any pressing need/desire to sell. We're playing with the idea of following Andy over to the dark side, but that's not it either. It costs us $135/mo to store, so OH is minimal.What's really driving the notion is we simply don't use the RV. Here is a bone stock 1993 that is essentially new throughout the engine, chassis and drive-train (name it, it's new), has a big block Chevy on a 10.5k GVRW and literally flies. It should be on the road touring the country, but every time we have some spare time, we're jetting to some other, more distant location.Hmmm, oh well, enough for missives.
Re: Short wheelbase models Reply #1 – April 04, 2019, 02:39:55 pm Quote from: snerf - April 04, 2019, 11:04:00 am We're playing with the idea of following Andy over to the dark side, but that's not it either. That's not the dark side. That is graduating to the LDAA (LazyDaze Alumni Association). At least in my book Joel
Re: Short wheelbase models Reply #2 – April 04, 2019, 02:46:15 pm Quote from: joel wiley - April 04, 2019, 02:39:55 pmThat's not the dark side. That is graduating to the LDAA (LazyDaze Alumni Association). At least in my book JoelI guess I have already gone to the Dark Side but am considering coming back to the LD Light!
Re: Short wheelbase models Reply #3 – April 04, 2019, 03:08:54 pm I’m troubled with the possibility of a new stronger Ford engine paired to a 10 speed transmission. I’m totally insane for even reflecting on a LD with that upgrade. I’m too old to start over with a new LD. Nuts. That’s it. I’m nuts. I casually mentioned this to my DW. DW confirmed the diagnosis. NUTS. Not the dark side. The crazy side. 1 Likes
Re: Short wheelbase models Reply #4 – April 04, 2019, 03:20:46 pm Ed, not crazy at all. Think of all the great safety features the new chassis will have. How can you put a price on that? Oh, and I expect there will significant improvement in gas mileage!I was very close to making a decision to go another route (pun intended) but am back on the road to a Lazy Daze that features the new chassis. We need folks like you to try it out and let us know if it’s worth it! 😄
Re: Short wheelbase models Reply #5 – April 05, 2019, 11:33:18 am Just the big boys - it's hard to find short wheelbase models. On that note, we're thinking of selling our 22', but it's only a vague idea right now.Heres a great little coach at 21'-7" and 138" wheel base. Can get it without slide also. Hard to find anything under $100K that will ever match LD quality. These guys come pretty close.Phoenix Cruiser Model 2100 – Phoenix
Re: Short wheelbase models Reply #6 – April 05, 2019, 11:47:01 am Go onto the Phoenix website and do a build on a comparable model, adding all the options that come standard on a Lazy Daze. For example, it will cost you $96 to add a porch light! I think you’ll find out that the Lazy Daze gives you much more bang for the buck. They are able to accomplish this due to factory-direct pricing and lack of a sales staff.
Re: Short wheelbase models Reply #7 – April 05, 2019, 01:01:56 pm Quote from: hutch42 - April 05, 2019, 11:33:18 amHeres a great little coach at 21'-7" and 138" wheel base. Can get it without slide also. Hard to find anything under $100K that will ever match LD quality. These guys come pretty close.Phoenix Cruiser Model 2100 – PhoenixThe problem with very short RVs is the lack of space for fluid tanks, such as water, fuel, and the holding tanks.The Phoenix Cruiser 2100 carries 40-gal fuel, 31-gal water, 23-gal black and 35-gal gray. Not much water.Compared it to a 24' LD FL with 55-gal fuel, 60-gal water, 28-gal black and 32-gal gray.Our old 1983 22' LD carried almost as much fluid as the new ones.The Phoenix Cruiser home page shows the 2100 as being an E450. Looking at the price schedule, it does not show the 2100 model on an E450 chassis, only as a E350, so the price list does not include the more expensive E450 chassis. Interesting how equipment that is standard on an LD is optional on the Cruiser.It would also be interesting to have a clue of what it weights and the CCC, fiberglass is heavy.The Phoenix Cruiser is more of a traveling machine, where you do not dry camp for more than two or three days...before running out of water.When we were initially looking at RVs, back in the mid-90s, I was interested in very small RVs but soon discovered that they did not carry much water or fuel and the holding tanks and coach battery were small.Larry 1 Likes
Re: Short wheelbase models Reply #8 – April 05, 2019, 01:30:25 pm "I'm too old to start over with a new LD."----Well, let's see.....another year or so until the 7.3L V-8/10-speed E-450 is on the market, a year or so after its advent to allow for de-bugging (buy a new model the first year it's out? Uh uh.), and another 18 months or more to get on the LD interest list to get on the LD list to order. And, after delivery, more time for upgrades, change outs, and add-ons. Don't think that timeline is a good fit with my remaining years of roadworthiness; I'll just keep what I have! 5 Likes
Re: Short wheelbase models Reply #9 – April 05, 2019, 02:55:11 pm Quote from: Joan - April 05, 2019, 01:30:25 pm Well, let's see.....another year or so until the 7.3L V-8/10-speed E-450 is on the market, a year or so after its advent to allow for de-bugging (buy a new model the first year it's out? Uh uh.), and another 18 months or more to get on the LD interest list to get on the LD list to order. And, after delivery, more time for upgrades, change outs, and add-ons. Don't think that timeline is a good fit with my remaining years of roadworthiness; I'll just keep what I have! We are all different, of course, but for me the timeline fits almost perfectly since my goal is to avoid debt and to save up the necessary funds anyway. I'll miss out on a couple more years of RVing but in the meantime I'll have to do like Snerf and travel in other ways.
Re: Short wheelbase models Reply #10 – April 05, 2019, 03:08:27 pm Quote from: Larry W - April 05, 2019, 01:01:56 pmThe problem with very short RVs is . . . .LarryLarry, I think that is why you're not in the SOB's targeted demographic. You keep asking, "is this useful, functional?" and overlook the glitz and hype so necessary to keep the sales up.JMHO, Joel 1 Likes
Re: Short wheelbase models Reply #11 – April 05, 2019, 03:28:11 pm Quote from: joel wiley - April 05, 2019, 03:08:27 pmLarry, I think that is why you're not in the SOB's targeted demographic. You keep asking, "is this useful, functional?" and overlook the glitz and hype so necessary to keep the sales up.I'm pathetic, I just don't understand bling or being stylish.Larry 4 Likes
Re: Short wheelbase models Reply #12 – April 05, 2019, 03:54:46 pm RightNothing beats a Lazy Daze for quality at a decent price. The 2100 is on a E450 (they all are now) and less then 2500 LBS OCC before options. Factory direct pricing with out slide, with same available options as LD plus HWH auto levelers $101,036, so little more expensive then a loaded LD.Its a "soccer mom, tailgating" coach. 1 Likes
Re: Short wheelbase models Reply #13 – April 05, 2019, 04:04:54 pm "I just don't understand bling or being stylish."-----I don't get the appeal of 'feathers' over 'guts', either! 2 Likes
Re: Short wheelbase models Reply #14 – April 05, 2019, 09:15:01 pm Quote from: Joan - April 05, 2019, 04:04:54 pm"I just don't understand bling or being stylish."-----I don't get the appeal of 'feathers' over 'guts', either! Me either! We watch these home reno shows and EVERYTHING is all white with some gray tones. Its like it is so antiseptic looking. I get that creepy feeling when I was a young boy and my mother was a nurse in an Asylum....all white. I want my Harvest Gold and Avocado Green back 1 Likes
Re: Short wheelbase models Reply #15 – April 06, 2019, 11:05:44 am Quote from: Larry W - April 05, 2019, 03:28:11 pmI'm pathetic, I just don't understand bling or being stylish.Larry<smile> I loved my bib overalls. DW and the kids are always trying to get me out of em.Round House American Made Jeans, Overalls 112 Yrs Jean Made in USA
Re: Short wheelbase models Reply #17 – April 06, 2019, 11:46:33 am The Phoenix Cruiser home page shows the 2100 as being an E450. Looking at the price schedule, it does not show the 2100 model on an E450 chassis, only as a E350, so the price list does not include the more expensive E450 chassis. Interesting how equipment that is standard on an LD is optional on the Cruiser.It would also be interesting have a clue of what it weights and the CCC, fiberglass is heavy. The Phoenix Cruiser home page gets updated just like LD,s...every couple years whether it needs it or not. The companies are so similar. When you ask about old info on web site, the answer is the same as LD. Our customers have been looking at us for years before they buy, they know what they want so why do we have to spend the money on a web designer. Until recently, most sales are by word of mouth or referrals. The new owners are using Campers Inn as a dealer now, as well as the factory. They are telling current customers nothing will change? Time will tell. Prices are still factory direct, pick and choose options and they do a lot of customization.
Re: Short wheelbase models Reply #18 – April 06, 2019, 12:42:28 pm Quote from: HiLola - April 06, 2019, 11:20:55 amNot me, I like my bling!Lookin' good!Some people have style, some don't.Larry 1 Likes
Re: Short wheelbase models Reply #19 – April 06, 2019, 08:07:35 pm Aside from the issue of calling a RV built on a E450 Ford a class b I'm thinking the pricing is a bit on the high side see below
Re: Short wheelbase models Reply #20 – April 07, 2019, 12:22:51 pm Quote from: colddog - April 06, 2019, 08:07:35 pmAside from the issue of calling a RV built on a E450 Ford a class b I'm thinking the pricing is a bit on the high side see belowRight. Always confusing class C, class B, class B+? The industry says a "class C has cab over sleeping, class B does not". Most of the class B's fill that smaller space with an entertainment center. Come to think I guess LD's with no cab over bed and entertainment center would be a class B.IMPO the four best built Class C/B RV's on the market today are Lazy Daze, Coach House, Phoenix Cruiser, and Leisure Travel Van. They are in a class of their own as compared to the big four, Winnebago, Thor, Jayco, and Forrest River companies.From a price standpoint LD is a great value (if you dont mind the wait) and has some of the best resale values. The model 2351 25'+ PC has a factory direct price of $105,500 as equipped in the attachment. So bout a thousand or so more than the 27' LD. Could save $4,500 if you delete the slide. Then more apples to apples. The same size on the LTV & Coach House run about $115,000 & $140,000 out the door respectively.Pretty pricey for a class C. However if you compare it to the new small Class B Vans that are flying off the dealers lots with Lithium systems (no generators) that run everything from the induction range to the AC's for MSRP's $140,000-$160,000. Wow I guess total living off the grid and Stealth looking and moving is a hot item.
Re: Short wheelbase models Reply #21 – April 07, 2019, 03:27:12 pm I think RV pricing is similar to sticks and bricks house pricing. The smaller it is, the more expensive it is per square foot.
Re: Short wheelbase models Reply #22 – April 07, 2019, 03:30:34 pm "Come to think I guess LD's with no cab over bed and entertainment center would be a class B."I'd think twice before I'd call the Lazy Bones a class B! She doesn't take kindly to profanity and such a remark would break her beautiful Green heart. 5 Likes
Re: Short wheelbase models Reply #23 – April 07, 2019, 03:35:55 pm Quote from: hutch42 - April 07, 2019, 12:22:51 pmFrom a price standpoint LD is a great value (if you dont mind the wait) and has some of the best resale values. The model 2351 25'+ PC has a factory direct price of $105,500 as equipped in the attachment. So bout a thousand or so more than the 27' LD. Could save $4,500 if you delete the slide. Then more apples to apples. The same size on the LTV & Coach House run about $115,000 & $140,000 out the door respectively.Most SOBs can be negotiated way below the manufacturer's suggested price, a new LD cost exactly what the price list indicates.Larry
Re: Short wheelbase models Reply #24 – April 07, 2019, 03:49:43 pm I think RV pricing is similar to sticks and bricks house pricing. The smaller it is, the more expensive it is per square foot.I just did a quick check on a PC 2551 27' without slide. Very close to the 26.5 LD almost identical. To me they are both class C's
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