Generators March 19, 2019, 05:03:14 pm For a 'Standard Class C, M22' if there is such a thing, what size generator should I look to purchase?
Re: Generators Reply #1 – March 19, 2019, 06:25:24 pm Quote from: Mindispower - March 19, 2019, 05:03:14 pmFor a 'Standard Class C, M22' if there is such a thing, what size generator should I look to purchase?Do you plan to install one or carry a portable? The 22' LDs had an optional Onan Emerald 4000-watt generator.What are you going to run with it?Larry
Re: Generators Reply #2 – March 19, 2019, 07:00:05 pm Bear in mind that if not oem from LD, NOTHING will be set up for a generator. No transfer switch, no inside controls, no 12V circuit for the starter, possibly no gas tank generator port, no door or support brackets....Steve
Re: Generators Reply #3 – March 20, 2019, 01:22:47 pm Quote from: Larry W - March 19, 2019, 06:25:24 pmDo you plan to install one or carry a portable? The 22' LDs had an optional Onan Emerald 4000-watt generator.What are you going to run with it?LarryIt will essentially be for boondocking. Being a novice in all things motorhome, I think for house batteries, fridge and AC.? Having said that, I really do not like them from a noise/social point of view. Researched solar but roof space is premium real estate. i.e., not enough of it.
Re: Generators Reply #4 – March 20, 2019, 01:25:05 pm Quote from: Steve - March 19, 2019, 07:00:05 pmBear in mind that if not oem from LD, NOTHING will be set up for a generator. No transfer switch, no inside controls, no 12V circuit for the starter, possibly no gas tank generator port, no door or support brackets....SteveI am glad I posted. I better do more homework. Thanks.
Re: Generators Reply #5 – March 20, 2019, 04:05:09 pm If you are thinking about portable, from what I know about A/C operation, you are going to need at least 3500 watts to start your A/C every time when it cycles off and on. That being said, a couple small 2000 watt Yamaha or Honda inverter generators wired together with the jumper wires would get you 4000 watts and take up very little space and make almost no noise. Fuel consumption would be almost nothing. 1 Likes
Re: Generators Reply #6 – March 20, 2019, 04:09:38 pm Quote from: JonS - March 20, 2019, 04:05:09 pmIf you are thinking about portable, from what I know about A/C operation, you are going to need at least 3500 watts to start your A/C every time when it cycles off and on. That being said, a couple small 2000 watt Yamaha or Honda inverter generators wired together with the jumper wires would get you 4000 watts and take up very little space and make almost no noise. Fuel consumption would be almost nothing.Are the generators able to phase sync themselves when wired together? That would be a cool trick... A bit of googling seems to imply they do. Pretty cool.
Re: Generators Reply #7 – March 20, 2019, 05:07:20 pm Hi Sean. You can't synchronize the rotation of the engines on the generators. The AC power is handled by electronic inverters. The speed of the engine approaches idle at low power delivery, and increases for high power. The inverter outputs do allow synchronization between two generators so they co-operate well. Older in-place RV generators have to run at a specific speed to keep the power at 60 Hertz. The Onan Emerald has two cylinders and runs at 1875 RPM (or close to that, I don't remember the exact speed), and the Onan Microquiet, one cylinder runs at about twice the speed at 3600 RPM. The internal to the housing muffler helps the MicrQuiet make less noise. Some open frame type generators aren't allowed in some RV parks because of excessive noise. RonB 1 Likes
Re: Generators Reply #8 – March 20, 2019, 06:32:13 pm Quote from: henness - March 20, 2019, 04:09:38 pmAre the generators able to phase sync themselves when wired together? That would be a cool trick... A bit of googling seems to imply they do. Pretty cool.Yep, Honda 2000s have done this for many yearsA few things to think about.With a super starting capacitor for the A/C, 3000-watts will fire and start the A/C.With either a 3000-watt or two 2000-watt generators, where do you plan storing them where they cannot be stolen?Generators are, by far, the most stolen item from campsites. Many campground have signs indicating this.Brand name generators are like cash and can be quickly sold.Locks, chains and cables are easily defeated.Where do you plan on carrying the gasoline to run the generator(s)? I wouldn't want to store it inside or in the exterior storage compartments, a leak would be very dangerous and a pain to clean up and deodorize.A rear bumper basket isn't a secure or safe place to carry a generator and/or the fuel. A pair on Honda 2000s is a big chunk of cash, money that can be spent building a decent size solar charging system.Our 23.5's roof is the same size as your LD and there is room for 500-watts of solar and two sea kayaks.Solar panels come in a wide range of physical sizes and they can be mixed and matched as long as their specified output voltage is the same.A well constructed solar charging system will take care of all your electrical needs with the exception of A/C.When it gets hot, find a cooler place to camp or electrical hookups. It's what we do.It's a little late now but a Factory installed generator is the most convenient and safe way to have full 120-VAC power.Adding an onboard generator is huge and very expensive job, since, as pointed out, it wasn't pre-wired for it.The buyer of your rig was convinced by LD's Ed, "You don't need that". More homework to do.Larry 1 Likes
Re: Generators Reply #9 – March 20, 2019, 06:37:40 pm "a couple small 2000 watt Yamaha or Honda inverter generators..."Depends upon your definition of "small." :-) Honda's EU2200i weighs about fifty pounds with fuel, and is 20" x 11.4" x 16.7". A pair of those, plus cables and gas can, are going to take up some serious storage space. Then of course there's the thousand-dollar cost for each one."Researched solar but roof space is premium real estate. i.e., not enough of it."There will never be enough roof space on a Lazy Daze for solar panels adequate to run an air conditioner for any length of time. (With 600 watts of panels and 500 amp-hours of batteries, I once did it--by accident!--for fifteen minutes, until my 2,000 W inverter shut down to protect the batteries.)But for most things (in other words, leaving out electric cooking appliances, space heaters, hair dryers and the like), you can probably get by just fine with a couple hundred watts. And two or more 100 W panels will fit on any LD's roof. For example, Renogy's Eclipse or Compact Design panels pack maximum watts into minimum space. The latter are currently selling for just over a hundred bucks on Amazon.As for air conditioning... you might want to consider just driving to a cooler/higher-altitude location in the summer. That's why RVs have wheels, after all. :-) 1 Likes
Re: Generators Reply #10 – March 20, 2019, 08:06:08 pm FYI, in case you own or are considering one of the new Honda 2200 series portable generators, there is a recall:American Honda Recalls Portable Generators Due to Fire and Burn Hazards...
Re: Generators Reply #11 – March 21, 2019, 02:26:26 pm Quote from: Andy Baird - March 20, 2019, 06:37:40 pm"a couple small 2000 watt Yamaha or Honda inverter generators..."Depends upon your definition of "small." :-) Honda's EU2200i weighs about fifty pounds with fuel, and is 20" x 11.4" x 16.7". A pair of those, plus cables and gas can, are going to take up some serious storage space. Then of course there's the thousand-dollar cost for each one."Researched solar but roof space is premium real estate. i.e., not enough of it."There will never be enough roof space on a Lazy Daze for solar panels adequate to run an air conditioner for any length of time. (With 600 watts of panels and 500 amp-hours of batteries, I once did it--by accident!--for fifteen minutes, until my 2,000 W inverter shut down to protect the batteries.)But for most things (in other words, leaving out electric cooking appliances, space heaters, hair dryers and the like), you can probably get by just fine with a couple hundred watts. And two or more 100 W panels will fit on any LD's roof. For example, Renogy's Eclipse or Compact Design panels pack maximum watts into minimum space. The latter are currently selling for just over a hundred bucks on Amazon.As for air conditioning... you might want to consider just driving to a cooler/higher-altitude location in the summer. That's why RVs have wheels, after all. :-)Love your last sentence! 😁
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