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Campground hastles
Campgrounds can be a lot like neighborhoods sometimes and after a while I burn out on them. Our recent six days stay at Gros Ventres was all in all very nice with a couple of exceptions. One evening while sitting around the fire our neighbor was running his pickup motor quite a while and at first I thought he was getting ready to go somewhere. Eventually I went over and knocked on his door to ask  if he planned on turning it off anytime soon. He said he was charging his batteries and would turn it off in an hour or so. I then reminded him that he was in the no generator loop and I purposely stayed in this loop so I didn't have to hear motors running. He smugly informed me that it was a pickup not a generator and he'd turn it off but it would be my fault if his wife's CPAP machine went off in the middle of the night. I told him he was running a motor to create electricity and that was for all intents and purposes a generator and he should have stayed in the generator loop if he needed extra power. He got highly agitated but did turn off his pickup. As he walked away he said " you run into all types in national parks". I then said yeah like people running generators in the no generator loop. He again responded it's a pickup not a generator and we went our separate ways. Kind of ruined the mood for our peaceful evening camp fire.
Another day another neighbor decided cutting through our camp between the picnic table and our LD was a shorter route to get out into the desert where he could let his dog take a dump without picking it up. His path was like two feet from our rear bathroom window and after he did this a couple times I intercepted him and let him know I didn't appreciate his walking right through our camp and could he go around. He acted very put out by my request like I had some nerve but he did go around after that.
Most of our neighbors that came and went were very nice as we stayed put six nights but these two were really a PITA. All part of the campground experience I guess. Just like real life it's not all peaches and cream.
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Campgrounds can be a lot like neighborhoods sometimes and after a while I burn out on them. Our recent six days stay at Gros Ventres was all in all very nice with a couple of exceptions. One evening while sitting around the fire our neighbor was running his pickup motor quite a while and at first I thought he was getting ready to go somewhere. Eventually I went over and knocked on his door to ask  if he planned on turning it off anytime soon. He said he was charging his batteries and would turn it off in an hour or so. I then reminded him that he was in the no generator loop and I purposely stayed in this loop so I didn't have to hear motors running. He smugly informed me that it was a pickup not a generator and he'd turn it off but it would be my fault if his wife's CPAP machine went off in the middle of the night. I told him he was running a motor to create electricity and that was for all intents and purposes a generator and he should have stayed in the generator loop if he needed extra power. He got highly agitated but did turn off his pickup. As he walked away he said " you run into all types in national parks". I then said yeah like people running generators in the no generator loop. He again responded it's a pickup not a generator and we went our separate ways. Kind of ruined the mood for our peaceful evening camp fire.
Another day another neighbor decided cutting through our camp between the picnic table and our LD was a shorter route to get out into the desert where he could let his dog take a dump without picking it up. His path was like two feet from our rear bathroom window and after he did this a couple times I intercepted him and let him know I didn't appreciate his walking right through our camp and could he go around. He acted very put out by my request like I had some nerve but he did go around after that.
Most of our neighbors that came and went were very nice as we stayed put six nights but these two were really a PITA. All part of the campground experience I guess. Just like real life it's not all peaches and cream.
About the only way you can avoid those annoyances is to boondock in isolated areas. Even then there is no guarantee there won't be a jerk alert.

Chris
Formerly: 2002 30' IB

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About the only way you can avoid those annoyances is to boondock in isolated areas. Even then there is no guarantee there won't be a jerk alert.

Chris
So here's an example of that. We once drive over an hour up a dirt road in the Arizona strip to a camp on the northern most shore of lake Mead. We were just setting up camp when a three vehicle convoy pulled up and everyone jumped out and one old guy who was evidently the family patriarch said " this is where we always camp, hope you don't mind if we set up here too. We might be kind of noisy though." What was I supposed to do with this kind of boldness, shoot them? We moved to another spot that wasn't on the water like our first one and made the best of it and the guy was right. They were very noisy with loud music and laughter until late in the night. Traveling and camping is fun but as they say there's no place like home.
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For a CPAP I would cut some slack. They may already be sensitive about it. Who knows what their situation was.

But there are people finding new ways to be comedians.

A few of mine were:
- Incredibly loud gangster rap - asked if they could turn it down - got gangster - I left (so easy in the LD)
- People using my picnic table to hold their surfboards - asked to remove.
- Cutting through site to save 10 steps. Turnabout is fair play on that - I have been known to shortcut through the sites of people who take shortcuts so they know what it's like. Amazing that they don't like it when it's them.

I try not to be a jerk but the transition from doormat to assertive to jerk is a tricky one.
1996 Twin King

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Watching people with appropriate save the earth stickers on their Subaru’s (or anyone), litter.

Exterior video projectors.

Old farts having too much fun around the campfire.

Officious people in uniform regulating the people easiest to bully, ignoring the rule breakers.

A camp host going site to site selling firewood last June in the Easter Sierras just down the slope from Tahoe.

The list gets longer as I get older. Our only respite is avoiding people we don’t know.  !?!

Thanks for letting me vent. But really, when everyone you meet is an A#####e, it may be you (me).

Paul
'92 Mid Bath

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For a CPAP I would cut some slack. They may already be sensitive about it. Who knows what their situation was.

But there are people finding new ways to be comedians.

A few of mine were:
- Incredibly loud gangster rap - asked if they could turn it down - got gangster - I left (so easy in the LD)
- People using my picnic table to hold their surfboards - asked to remove.
- Cutting through site to save 10 steps. Turnabout is fair play on that - I have been known to shortcut through the sites of people who take shortcuts so they know what it's like. Amazing that they don't like it when it's them.

I try not to be a jerk but the transition from doormat to assertive to jerk is a tricky one.
Very true!
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Since there are more RV's "out there" now than there were just a decade back, it makes sense to me that there are more  a**hats and even more that are clueless about the operation of their rigs. Lines at dump stations back up simply because it's the first time for them and others wait 10 minutes after the last drop has gone down the hole. [We can dump both tanks and be gone in less than 6 minutes]

I would be a little miffed about a guy that felt entitled to run his engine to charge his battery for his wife's CPAP. I would try to be understanding that he was clueless and unprepared not having enough battery capacity, probably one 12volt car battery, no solar and running the CPAP with an inverter.

Pet Peeve - extended families that use parking spaces for their picnics. Plenty of signs prohibiting such, but unless the camp host is watching all the time, they will invade. They usually take the space we would pick.

We were the object of the wrath of two families that scattered their trucks, trailers, etc. to take up the only flat space in two miles down a long dirt road in southern Nevada. Had they backed in there was room for six rigs. We parked on the extreme side of the area, not close to their rigs, but close to their trucks. They were irate that we were in their place.
Don & Dorothy
Sold our LD in June of 2023

Our boring always non-PC travel blog
Traveling Dorothy

 
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They were irate that we were in their place.

I think you have more chances of potentially running into trouble in remote, BLM types of campground environments. For one, as you say, there are most likely people/families who have been returning to certain areas for years, so in their eyes, it's "their campground". Secondly, they specifically head to those types of regions to "have fun", whether it's music, drinking, toys and guns - or all combined in some fashion. Thirdly, most assuredly everyone is armed, and official law is a long ways away.

Compare that to the types of mere campground annoyances found at established, civilized campgrounds, in either cities or parks. Here, the chief stressors come from inexperienced/rude people cutting through your campground space, running (loud) engines/generators before/after hours, learning how to dump tanks, etc.

Overall, it's just part of the deal with respect to travel, whether by RV or otherwise. What we tend to forget as we get older is just how exciting travel is for those who are younger ie the mere presence of being somewhere new/different. It's why someone like my 19 yo son can share a 6-room dormitory at a hostel - he doesn't care a whit, because he's so stoked on being somewhere new/interesting on his own. It's only as we become enured to this sensation, and then develop (experience born) expectations, that our tolerance levels go down. Eventually, you can draw the arc to the point of mouthing those classic words "get off my lawn"!

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I think you have more chances of potentially running into trouble in remote, BLM types of campground environments. For one, as you say, there are most likely people/families who have been returning to certain areas for years, so in their eyes, it's "their campground". Secondly, they specifically head to those types of regions to "have fun", whether it's music, drinking, toys and guns - or all combined in some fashion. Thirdly, most assuredly everyone is armed, and official law is a long ways away.



We used to exclusively boondock and rarely if ever stayed in an established campground but lately I've found that many of these boondock campsites have become so full of liter and boondocking neighbors have become so obnoxious with shooting, playing loud music etc that I'm finding the more structured campgrounds with rules to be a better alternative. No offense to anybody here with four wheelers but it seems to me those things have brought a new element into the boondocking experience that didn't previously exist.

Edit: I don't want to paint with a broad brush on the four wheeler thing though. I realize not all of them are the ones out tearing up the desert going off road where they are not supposed to and throwing empty beer cans out as they do. Some I'm sure follow the rules and are conscientious campers. Such is life that the bad ones give the good ones a bad rap.
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I would be a little miffed about a guy that felt entitled to run his engine to charge his battery for his wife's CPAP. I would try to be understanding that he was clueless and unprepared not having enough battery capacity, probably one 12volt car battery, no solar and running the CPAP with an inverter.


I took his CPAP claim with a grain of salt because I could see the flickering lights of a television through the curtains. Even if true though they should park in the generator loop if they need more power than their battery can provide. If he wasn't aware of this he is now and when we returned from our hike the next day they were gone as was the walk through my camp guy. We were there six nights and these two people were our only problems and they were both there on the weekend which was the only time the campground got close to full. Coincidence or is the weekend crowd a different breed? I dunno.
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Coincidence or is the weekend crowd a different breed? I dunno.
In my limited experience,  a significant percentage of the weekend crowd fall into the group 'unretired'.
As such, they are more to be pitied than censured.   ;)
Joel & Terry Wiley
dog Zeke
2013  31 IB   Orwan   / 2011 CRV Tow'd LWEROVE

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In my limited experience,  a significant percentage of the weekend crowd fall into the group 'unretired'.
As such, they are more to be pitied than censured.  ;)
While staying there I wondered if a park as relatively remote as Grand Teton would get busier on the weekend and my question was answered. Yes it does. We made the mistake of going into Jackson on Sunday and it was a bumper to bumper traffic jam. We had taken long hikes the three previous day's though and wanted to do some mt biking instead so we had to go through Jackson to get to a trail system we wanted to ride which was fantastic if you are into mountain biking.


Cache Creek Mountain Biking

Cache Creek Sidewalk | Mountain Bike the Tetons

Hagen and Putt Putt Trails Mountain Biking and Trail Running
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"We made the mistake of going into Jackson on Sunday..."

Given the amenities to be had it's no surprise! I have relatives who live in Idaho Falls who think nothing of hopping over the ridge for a Sunday excursion.   :D
Steve S.
Lazy Bones & Cedar
2004 30'IB (Island Bed)
Yesterday is History, Tomorrow is a Mystery
Live for the day!

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"We made the mistake of going into Jackson on Sunday..."

Given the amenities to be had it's no surprise! I have relatives who live in Idaho Falls who think nothing of hopping over the ridge for a Sunday excursion.   :D
Hop over the ridge???? LOL
I have never been over Teton pass before and I was wishing I went home through Yellowstone like I came. 10% grade with no passing lane. I had a very long line of pissed off driver's behind me by the time I hit the summit. Pulled over a couple times to let people by but didn't take long for a new line to form. Never again and I think that's why I lost a torque converter seal. Just glad it didn't happen on that grade.
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Sawyer

I will have to admit that I have not driven that route westbound! But I have done it (as near as I remember) three times eastbound.

As a dedicated history buff I was seeking Pierre's Hole and needed to get to the vicinity of Victor and Driggs.

Pierre's Hole - Wikipedia

The relatives I spoke of had a cabin in Tetonia. This cabin had once stood over the ridge in Teton Nat. Park. The Park Service wanted it gone and offered it free to anyone who would move it. My relatives dismantled the cabin and transported it over the ridge to Tetonia, reconstructed it on property they owned and to my knowledge it sits there today.  :o   8)
Steve S.
Lazy Bones & Cedar
2004 30'IB (Island Bed)
Yesterday is History, Tomorrow is a Mystery
Live for the day!

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We have always liked to boondock and if it comes to having to stay in campgrounds, we are done. Fortunately, we have only had two bad experiences on BLM land. If we see kids bikes, lots of ATV's, we move along looking for a better place. We spend a lot of time in Utah and if we suspect the people that will be close by are LDS members, we will chat with them and ask if we can join them. We have always found them to be most respectful and the kids well-behaved. No loud anything. Guns? No worries, most are our kind of people.

The ATV's do destroy trails. The design leads to wheel spinning and renders trails that once could be done by stock Jeeps, that can now be done only by extreme rigs with 40' tires or rail rigs, which are really nothing more than long ATV's.
That said, we have found the owners courteous.
Don & Dorothy
Sold our LD in June of 2023

Our boring always non-PC travel blog
Traveling Dorothy

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We have always liked to boondock and if it comes to having to stay in campgrounds, we are done. Fortunately, we have only had two bad experiences on BLM land. If we see kids bikes, lots of ATV's, we move along looking for a better place. We spend a lot of time in Utah and if we suspect the people that will be close by are LDS members, we will chat with them and ask if we can join them. We have always found them to be most respectful and the kids well-behaved. No loud anything. Guns? No worries, most are our kind of people.

The ATV's do destroy trails. The design leads to wheel spinning and renders trails that once could be done by stock Jeeps, that can now be done only by extreme rigs with 40' tires or rail rigs, which are really nothing more than long ATV's.
That said, we have found the owners courteous.
Over my working life Utah boondocking has been our primary destination. Spring was the only time of year I ever was off from work and that was usually four to six weeks. We would go in our 4x4 pickup with a slide in camper and camp in the most remote spots we could find to mt bike and hike. Lots of great memories. It's only since retirement we have been going to campgrounds because now we can go places in summer in the high country and the coast and national parks that are snowed in all winter and into spring. Next spring though we are going to go to the desert in early February down into Arizona and then start working our way North into Utah with the weather. Should be a couple or even three months if all goes well. By the time we hit Moab we should be in as good of bike shape as we can get at this age and I may even attempt slickrock one more time before I kick the bucket or then again my last ride on slickrock may kick the bucket for me. LOL

Moab Slickrock Mountain Biking Trail |  Utah.com
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Have you found that gorgeous swimming hole outside Moab just a little ways? It's a hike and not an easy find,  but if you do, lucky-lucky.
1987 LD New Mexico

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Over my working life Utah boondocking has been our primary destination. Spring was the only time of year I ever was off from work and that was usually four to six weeks. We would go in our 4x4 pickup with a slide in camper and camp in the most remote spots we could find to mt bike and hike. Lots of great memories. It's only since retirement we have been going to campgrounds because now we can go places in summer in the high country and the coast and national parks that are snowed in all winter and into spring. Next spring though we are going to go to the desert in early February down into Arizona and then start working our way North into Utah with the weather. Should be a couple or even three months if all goes well. By the time we hit Moab we should be in as good of bike shape as we can get at this age and I may even attempt slickrock one more time before I kick the bucket or then again my last ride on slickrock may kick the bucket for me. LOL

Moab Slickrock Mountain Biking Trail |  Utah.com


Where do you plan on riding when you come to Arizona?   I'm originally from California but have lived in Phoenix the last 8 years and have explored a lot of the trails here.   Do you have a specific destination?

Bob
2006 RK