New RV Sales September 08, 2018, 03:11:28 pm This chart might be of interest to the Neighborhood. The source of the chart is RV Travel Newsletter Issue 862 - RV Travel . 2 Likes
Re: New RV Sales Reply #1 – September 09, 2018, 02:04:32 am Thank you Ed,Through your link I found the Pod Cast for RV Travel and was fascinated by the two hour program.The first hour was entertaining while the second hour covered some very serious discussions about RV Electrical safety in particular the phenomenon of “Hot Skin” RV electrocution. Mike Sokol was interviewed on the air and he discussed electrical hazards that can occur when hooked up to improperly maintained camp site power pedestals or using faulty power cords in particular the dangers associated with the Hot Skin condition that may occur under adverse conditions. Proper campground pedestal connection has been recently discussed here on LDO so certain precautions should prevent certain occurrences of Hot Skin, but the pedestal is apparently not the only possible cause for this very hazardous condition.Here is a YouTube presentation by Mike Sokol on how to test your rig for Hot Skin conditions. The test is easy to perform. https://youtu.be/Y8h64X33aKgIt is definitely something that everyone should be made aware of. It’s been said, “An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure”. Good advice in my humble opinion.Kent 3 Likes
Re: New RV Sales Reply #2 – September 09, 2018, 07:22:55 am Makes the argument for a built-in surge protector. We had ours installed two days after picking up the rig in Montclair.I could not endure Mike Sokol yammering. If he had anything to say, maybe someone could condense it down to a paragraph.
Re: New RV Sales Reply #3 – September 09, 2018, 08:51:17 am Quote from: Ed & Margee - September 08, 2018, 03:11:28 pmThis chart might be of interest to the Neighborhood. The source of the chart is RV Travel Newsletter Issue 862 - RV Travel .To sum up, the chart shows a one year overall decline in motorhomes, led by class C's. Towables appear to be gaining in popularity over the last year. Overall, RV sales are up. 1 Likes
Re: New RV Sales Reply #4 – September 09, 2018, 09:01:00 am Quote from: HiLola - September 09, 2018, 08:51:17 amTo sum up, the chart shows a one year overall decline in motorhomes, led by class C's. Towables appear to be gaining in popularity over the last year. Overall, RV sales are up.Any opinions or thoughts why class c sales have declined in sales over towables?-Dave
Re: New RV Sales Reply #5 – September 09, 2018, 09:34:38 am ?Any opinions or thoughts why class c sales have declined in sales over towables?"-DaveYes, Two reasons, IMO: Young Millenial families; Cost. 1 Likes
Re: New RV Sales Reply #6 – September 09, 2018, 09:36:33 am Could be there are enough 'satisfactory' Class C units for sale on the used market, so making the plunge into new territory isn't necessary (or possible) for many buyers. Couple that with the fact that tent-style popups usually don't age well, and therefore folks after those are better served by buying new. Total conjecture on my part, though... 2 Likes
Re: New RV Sales Reply #7 – September 09, 2018, 09:47:27 am Yes, but anecdotal evidence that I have seen here in NorCal lakes and campgrounds are that the younger folks generally prefer the toy haulers/bunk house rigs. I think a lot of that has to do with wanting to take bikes, kayaks, and other outdoor toys with them, and to keep everything as trouble-free as possible. There are a lot of extra costs associated with motor homes vs. towables. And, I do see LOTS of tenting millennial families. Large family sized tents are another thing that technology and materials innovations have greatly advanced. Most of these large tents can be set up and torn down very quickly. Many millennials have adopted -- probably through necessity -- a minimalist sort of life style. No clutter, low costs, use only what you need. 3 Likes
Re: New RV Sales Reply #8 – September 09, 2018, 10:56:27 am Don said...”I could not endure Mike Sokol yammering. If he had anything to say, maybe someone could condense it down to a paragraph”.No doubt his methodic manner of presentation is to make the situation as clear as possible for folks such as myself. I had not done much research into the Hot Skin issue most likely because our LD is/was new and we take steps to mitigate any electrical or pedestal issues (how many times have we pulled up to a pedestal to find the breakers still on?).Mikes other instructional videos are only about three minutes long and cover the other issues with electrical outlets and how to test for problems. Not so much yammer and easy to follow for this old man.I suppose we could avoid the whole issue by setting up our family sized tents...nah that’s no good. 😬 Kent 2 Likes
Re: New RV Sales Reply #9 – September 09, 2018, 12:56:45 pm Quote from: soofligo - September 09, 2018, 09:01:00 amAny opinions or thoughts why class c sales have declined in sales over towables?The lack of adequate supplies of E450s may have something to do with itLD has been building only half the units of what they are capable of, due to shortages.From our experiences this summer, towables are popular because it allows buying a big, burly diesel pickup, usually in the $75-100,000 range. It isn't any cheaper than a Class C but the guys get a 'first class' man license. The license allows you to idle the diesel for an hour a day in your favorite campground, preferably early in the morning. Extra idling time is allow if the stock muffler has been replaced with a louder aftermarket muffler.Larry 15 Likes
Re: New RV Sales Reply #10 – September 09, 2018, 03:54:14 pm A class C is a one purpose machine. A truck with a towable allows you to multi purpose the truck into a work truck when not towing.And as mentioned, many are now seeking toy hauler setups, with family in tow. It lets them get out there and destroy the back country with obnoxious little off road play things. 4 Likes
Re: New RV Sales Reply #11 – September 09, 2018, 06:20:16 pm Quote from: Jota - September 09, 2018, 03:54:14 pmA class C is a one purpose machine. A truck with a towable allows you to multi purpose the truck into a work truck when not towing.And as mentioned, many are now seeking toy hauler setups, with family in tow. It lets them get out there and destroy the back country with obnoxious little off road play things.Many big truck owners do not need them for their daily jobs but own them just to tow their 40' toy boxes, ending up with an impractical daily driver. Some of the new, diesels cost nearly as much as a new LD, much more once the cost of the toy box is added. In some circles, there is a lot of status in driving a big 4X4 diesel, pulling a long toy box, preferably at 75-MPH.Adding the Rolling Coal option puts you at the top of the heap.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZe7EPMTwSAHere in SoCal, many RVs are towing trailers full of dirt toys or a 4X4.The lack of E450 cutaways is one of the reasons why Class Cs are declining in popularity.There would be twice as many LDs built each year if the cutaways were available. U-Haul is the major buyer and gets as many as it wants out of the limited production numbers.Larry 2 Likes
Re: New RV Sales Reply #12 – September 09, 2018, 06:59:09 pm Quote from: Larry W - September 09, 2018, 06:20:16 pmMany big truck owners do not need them for their daily jobs but own them just to tow their 40' toy boxes, ending up with an impractical daily driver. Some of the new, diesels cost nearly as much as a new LD, much more once the cost of the toy box is added. In some circles, there is a lot of status in driving a big 4X4 diesel, pulling a long toy box, preferably at 75-MPH.Adding the Rolling Coal option puts you at the top of the heap.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZe7EPMTwSAHere in SoCal, many RVs are towing trailers full of dirt toys or a 4X4.The lack of E450 cutaways is one of the reasons why Class Cs are declining in popularity.There would be twice as many LDs built each year if the cutaways were available. U-Haul is the major buyer and gets as many as it wants out of the limited production numbers.Larry"Adding the Rolling Coal option puts you at the top of the heap."Yeah, coal rolling really is macho and cool. Anyone ever been coal rolled? I believe it's fineable here in CO now. I think if you are caught, you are sentenced to follow a coal rolling truck in a top-down convertible for 10 miles. (I'm guessing Google will take a hit on "coal rolling" after this post.)Chris 1 Likes
Re: New RV Sales Reply #13 – September 09, 2018, 07:16:28 pm California Vehicle Code: 27156. (a) No person shall operate or leave standing upon a highway a motor vehicle that is a gross polluter, as defined in Section 39032.5 of the Health and Safety Code.California Health and Safety Code 39032.5“Gross polluter” means a vehicle with excess hydrocarbon, carbon monoxide, or oxides of nitrogen emissions as established by the department in consultation with the state board.And then there is Welfare and Institutions Code:ARTICLE 1. Detention of Mentally Disordered Persons for Evaluation and Treatment [5150 - 5155] 5150. (a) When a person, as a result of a mental health disorder, is a danger to others, or to himself or herself, or gravely disabled, a peace officer, professional person in charge of a facility designated by the county for evaluation and treatment, member of the attending staff, as defined by regulation, of a facility designated by the county for evaluation and treatment, designated members of a mobile crisis team, or professional person designated by the county may, upon probable cause, take, or cause to be taken, the person into custody for a period of up to 72 hours for assessment, evaluation, and crisis intervention, or placement for evaluation and treatment in a facility designated by the county for evaluation and treatment and approved by the State Department of Health Care Services. Or in the words of the gratuitously obnoxious "Spoilsport laws"joel
Re: New RV Sales Reply #14 – September 09, 2018, 07:55:25 pm I have a buddy that pulls a 43' custom DRV with a bobbed Freightliner.He spent $15,000 on it and it hasn't needed much in the way of maintenance since.He explained his reasoning to me and it all made sense.Spending close to $80,000 for a one ton dually from the big three, and then having to outfit it to haul a big 5th. wheelis crazy. You still end up with a truck that cannot safely pull (more importantly, stop) that kind of load. 1 Likes
Re: New RV Sales Reply #15 – September 10, 2018, 11:18:14 am Coal Rollin is new to me and hope I never see it.
Re: New RV Sales Reply #16 – September 10, 2018, 11:37:50 am Quote from: Larry W - September 09, 2018, 06:20:16 pmThe lack of E450 cutaways is one of the reasons why Class Cs are declining in popularity.There would be twice as many LDs built each year if the cutaways were available. U-Haul is the major buyer and gets as many as it wants out of the limited production numbers.Hey Larry - I was looking for additional information regarding the lack of E450 cutaways and was unable to find anything. While reviewing the production numbers I noticed that after 2014 there was a huge drop due to the cargo and passenger van sections being changed over to the new Transit chassis. Do you have additional information regarding the lack of E450 cutaways?
Re: New RV Sales Reply #17 – September 10, 2018, 12:14:37 pm Ford for years has tried to move to a universal type car/truck system. The Transit is an attempt. Most of us in the US don't think this configuration is wide enough. IMHO the real problem is LD isn't a big enough player to order direct from Ford. They, LD, buy on the open market. 1 Likes
Re: New RV Sales Reply #18 – October 02, 2018, 08:22:56 pm Example -- One local Ford dealer has 6-8 E450 cutaways in stock now. Trouble is, they're diesel, not gas. Plus, they're 'retail' priced, not fleet. So they're out there, and diligent sleuthing could find enough for increased LD production. But perhaps not at the price point the boys are used to.UHaul rules the roost on the E450 cutaways. Apparently they have first dibs on output. They cornered the market on certain F150s (?) awhile back, too.
Re: New RV Sales Reply #19 – October 03, 2018, 10:46:36 am "Most of us in the US don't think this configuration is wide enough."-----"Wide enough" for which application? For a "work van" or delivery vehicle, the Transit van's overall width is very likely an advantage, and even if a specialized use "box" is built on the cutaway, the overall width of that is probably less than if the cutaway were used as a motorhome platform and a wide box were plopped on the chassis. However, the real issue (IMO) of using a Transit as a motorhome platform is that the GVWR of the largest DWR Transit is 10360 pounds; newer E450s offer a GVWR of 14500 pounds. If I were interested in a small motorhome built on a Transit chassis, I'd get a 4-corner weight on it as it sat, then very likely walk. As ever, YMMV. 1 Likes
Re: New RV Sales Reply #20 – October 03, 2018, 12:31:46 pm Quote from: Don Malpas - September 10, 2018, 11:18:14 amCoal Rollin is new to me and hope I never see it.Don, if you talk to people who bicycle on the roads a lot - like me - you'll discover that maybe the most common use of coal rolling is to terrorize cyclists to try to make them crash. I much prefer getting hollered at to "get the *(&^ off the road." I have no clue how it can even be legal to install such a device on your truck - let alone using it violently like this.Sorry for the mini rant,Jim & DebSanta Cruz, CA2016 24' TK 1 Likes
Re: New RV Sales Reply #21 – October 03, 2018, 12:53:32 pm Quote from: Jim Langley - October 03, 2018, 12:31:46 pmDon, if you talk to people who bicycle on the roads a lot - like me - you'll discover that maybe the most common use of coal rolling is to terrorize cyclists to try to make them crash. I much prefer getting hollered at to "get the *(&^ off the road." I have no clue how it can even be legal to install such a device on your truck - let alone using it violently like this.Sorry for the mini rant,Jim & DebSanta Cruz, CA2016 24' TKAnd this is how it's done: "Install a smoke switch and start rolling coal like a pro. A smoke switch is the key to fooling your engine into thinking it needs more fuel, which lets out the excessive amount of diesel needed to belch clouds of black smoke. Smoke switches can be built, and sometimes bought, for most types of diesel engine."Unfortunately there will always be lowlifes who stoop to such shenanigans.Chris 1 Likes
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