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What a Lazy Daze is NOT ... An Interesting Read
I recently read the following letter to the editor of an on-line RV Newsletter and thought I'd share it with the Neighborhood.   As we know, a good many people join the LDO Forum to study LDs in an attempt to obtain firsthand information on Lazy Daze as part of their search for a RV.   I've read on other Forums that some people believe LD owners are blind to its short-comings (something about drinking the cool-aide).   Margee and I are not blind and we hate cool-aide.

At any rate for those "lurkers" considering a new Lazy Daze, please know that according to a good number of new LD Owners on this Forum, their LD were delivered nearly error free, which is unlike the following story.

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We bought our (SOB) new. We had to wait for “detailing,” which meant they sprayed it with a hose to get the dust off. The walkthrough took less than 30 minutes. The salesperson said to take it home and if there were any issues, bring it back.

Well, three days later, I had a list of almost 90 issues, including dangerously split and jagged unfinished wood, missing supports, misplaced staples, stuck drawers, ripped upholstery, malfunctioning doors, rusted metal parts, popped screws, unconnected valances and trimwork, warped countertops, cabinets falling off the walls, rippling wallpaper, missing caulk, and other structural issues. We submitted the list, along with a photo album of the problems to the dealer.

They contacted (SOB factory), who informed us that these issues “MEET INDUSTRY STANDARDS FOR RECREATIONAL VEHICLES.” We were stunned. What a load of crap. Eventually, (SOB) agreed to repair about half the problems under warranty. It took over a year of negotiating with the manufacturer, and used up half the time of our two-year warranty.

Sadly, health issues have prevented us from even using the trailer yet, so who knows how the main systems will function. If there were that many problems that were visible, how many are not obvious in just a visual inspection?

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As I mentioned above, this unfortunate account is NOT something a new Lazy Daze Owner will experience.  IMO the wait for a new LD is time well spent.  And so it goes.
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Reply #1 –
That was sort of what I found.  Back when I first joined this group, more than a a decade ago, I was researching RV's.  There were several other groups that I joined.  Most posts in the other groups were complaints about their RV. 

The LD site was, by comparison, a love fest.  The posts were never "My #&*#! RV broke again."  Rather, the posts here were about ways to tweak something in their rig, or about an appliance problem or a Ford drive system issue.  There were a lot of "Look what I did!"  Over the years, that has not changed much.

Ken F in WY
'08 MB
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Reply #2 –
Some of you may recall that I had the refer quit on me about 3-weeks ago.  My RB is less than one year old, so I was quite disappointed.  I knew that it was NOT a Lazy Daze issue, so I never hung any blame on them.  As it turned out it was not an issue at all, as the thermo-breaker had popped when the circumstances were such that the refer just got too hot.  In other words, everything worked as it was designed to.

Anyway, I took the rig to my regular independent RV repair shop.  The owner has been in business more than 50 years.  When he came out to look at the refer and survey the problem, he saw the Lazy Daze and complimented me on keeping my older rig so well restored and maintained.  When I told him it was brand new he admired it for a few moments then turned to me and said "Really nice rig.  These are classics!" 

I considered that a knowledgeable and high-value opinion.
2017 RB
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Quote from: Ray S.  - 
When I told him it was brand new he admired it for a few moments then turned to me and said "Really nice rig.  These are classics!"  I considered that a knowledgeable and high-value opinion.

That's what we're saying.  So if I had a choice between a long wait or SOB tomorrow, I get a chair and enjoy the long wait.
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Reply #4 –
I had a similar experience w/ an independent RV tech who had never seen an LD in person before (tho he had heard about them). He called the guys all out of his shop so they could oooh & ahhh over all the smart design festures & quality workmanship. The entire group had previously worked at a nearby dealership prepping SOB C's for delivery. They said there is no consistency in design/assembly, and that they'd take my 15 yo LD over  a new SOB any day.
Marcia Boynton
2005 26.5 RK
Adrian and Northport, MI
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Reply #5 –
I'm a proud member of the "Kool-Aid Club", like many here I owned another Class C brand (in fact, two for us) which I blame on my "stupid youth".....the quality was horrible so I began to research and came upon Lazy Daze and knew this would be make next move, when the time was right.  When my wife and I sat with Todd to complete the purchase paperwork he asked "So how long have you considered buying a Lazy Daze?".  Tere immediately jumped in and said "He's been dreaming of this for 17 years!"......Now to be fair to the SOBs I owned, I'm a much "smarter" RV owner now, thanks mainly to this group of helpful, friendly and fun people.  My wife shakes her head when I find another LD owner (this is more "my thing" then hers) and we chat up a storm about the product.  My experience with LD, namely Vince, has been unbelievably positive.  When I hear others talk about LD owners having blind faith I just shrug my shoulders and mutter "whatever".....I know it was well worth the 17 year "dream period" then the months of waiting for the manufacturing process to finish for us to take delivery.

Bill
2013 31' Silver Twin Bed
Semi-retired 6/21....
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Reply #6 –
This is a nice thread to come across considering i just submitted my order form today. Many thanks to all of you in this site to make me more comfortable about this purchase. I am one of those who researched and visited dealerships of many kinds and rv shows over several years and still think the LD is the best choice. And like many others here i appreciate the great people at Lazy Daze for their help and guidance.
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Quote from: randy62  - 
This is a nice thread to come across considering i just submitted my order form today. Many thanks to all of you in this site to make me more comfortable about this purchase. I am one of those who researched and visited dealerships of many kinds and rv shows over several years and still think the LD is the best choice. And like many others here i appreciate the great people at Lazy Daze for their help and guidance.
Randy, welcome to the Lazy Daze Owners' Group. We are happy the members were able to provide you information to make your decision about Lazy Daze. What floor plan did you order and when to you expect to take possession?

Chris
Formerly: 2002 30' IB
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Reply #8 –
When we started researching buying our first RV, I googled websites for "Forest River complaints", "Jayco complaints", "Winnebago complaints", etc.  There were plenty of horror stories and I wondered if I might be just crazy to consider buying an RV at all.  Then I found the RV Consumer Group and discovered that Lazy Daze and Born Free were listed as the best C-Class RVs available. As I had never heard of Lazy Daze (born and raised on the East Coast), I googled "Lazy Daze complaints" and found zip, nada, nothing.  After more research, we flew to the mothership from the Twin Cities (where we were living at the time) in August 2016, and Todd showed us a 27' MB on the floor.  We took if for a test drive and Marie, a retired GM engineer, asked if she could see the "factory".  Todd took us back so we could see the three they were working on at that time.  The time they were taking on putting them together sealed the deal for us, and we ordered one immediately.  We picked it up 10 months later and have put 16,000 miles on our Bossa Nova in three trips, spanning seven months over the last fourteen months.  The only thing, other than regular oil changes and tire rotations, we've had to fix was a loose propane line.  I never ever worried about what others think about me, but I know one thing; Lazy Daze rock.  They must be the best built RVs on the road.  If people want to say I'm drinking the Kool Aide, I say fine...better than drinking sour grape-juice.

David Philbrick
David and Marie Philbrick
Proud former 2017 27' MB Owners
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Reply #9 –
I am not sure about when to expect taking possession yet. I know working with LD is a process and they don’t want to hurry orders and I respect that immensely. I want a good end product and am willing to wait for it. Gives me a chance to save aluminum cans and save up more money to pay for it when the day comes😎
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Reply #10 –
There ARE complaints about Lazydaze. 
But when you compare 'they do not take credit cards'  to Jayco complaints,  they don't seem so bad.  ;)
Joel & Terry Wiley
dog Zeke
2013  31 IB   Orwan   / 2011 CRV Tow'd LWEROVE
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Reply #11 –
Thanks again Chris and i dont know if I replied properly to your question, but our order is a Silver MB and delivery estimate is currently January 2019
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Reply #12 –
We joined RV Horror Stories on Facebook. As you might expect, it's about the problems folks have with RV's built to Elkhardt standards. The horror to me is that they keep on buying them again and again.

I posted that they could, for a price, get independent reviews of most any RV from RV.ORG. The site host Chuck Woodbury, who has made living writing articles about the RV Industry posted back:

I have heard both good and bad about RV.org, and do not have confidence enough in their methods to recommend them. And, yes, they charge for everything. After 17 years publishing websites about RVing I have never even met whoever runs the organization. I have to give the organization thumbs down.

I replied:
All I can say it worked for me. I bought an RV they gave their highest rating to. 11 years and 108,000 miles later we have had no issues with anything LD made.
Don & Dorothy
Sold our LD in June of 2023

Our boring always non-PC travel blog
Traveling Dorothy
 
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Reply #13 –
Well, I guess it's time for my bi-annual repetition of the best comment/insight I ever heard/rec'd about the RV industry: I had my daily driver in for new tires at a local shop, and the manager (it was a local mini-chain of Goodyear dealers) had come from the RV industry where he had spent 20+ years.

We got to talking, and he said the entire industry is oriented around a 2 year purchase/usage/abandon time frame. Buyers get excited, jump into the motorhome/TT/5W game, and use the vehicle/trailer for a bunch of trips (or not) that span a period of around 2 years. Then, as in the natural course of life, sh!t happens.

Interests change, fortunes change, illnesses/infirmities pop up, family crises come/go, malleable kids grow into recalcitrant teenagers that make miserable travel companions, etc, etc, etc. Result? RVs get parked, forgotten, neglected, and eventually sold at a deep discount.

But the folks in Indiana could hardly give a hoot. They made their money long ago. As a result, workmanship, quality control, warranty support, etc are sub-optimal at best. That is, corp HQ is betting on the Vegas odds; smart actually, and the way investors (guess what, your own 401k) want it played.

LD of course well recognizes and understands this dynamic just as well as anyone else, so long ago (at least 70s) they made an interesting calculation that there would be some number of buyers each year willing to wait and receive a better quality product. The proof is in the pudding, as LD consistently has had a backlog for 50 something years.

Yet, LD is also playing the margins, as they continue to milk an entirely obsolete platform in the form of the E450. They cannot afford the R&D to switch to new platform like the Sprinter or Transit, and they can barely continue to do business in Calif. So, as they too can milk the market, why not?

The bottom line is that a LD is not technically difficult to build - it's not like the guys in Elkhart are flummoxed - on the contrary, it's actually quite trivial. So the issue really comes down to effort/cost vs profit. Unless a family member is willing to make a move to the border states on the Mason-Dixon line, LD will eventually fade or be put out by a fresh start-up.

The next person who figures out a way to build something of LD's quality, albeit in a business friendly state (gee, why are the foreign auto mfgs located in these states?), on a new(er) contemporary platform will eventually end up vacuuming up the business for the higher end, good quality RV.
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Quote from: snerf  - 
Well, I guess it's time for my bi-annual repetition of the best comment/insight I ever heard/rec'd about the RV industry: I had my daily driver in for new tires at a local shop, and the manager (it was a local mini-chain of Goodyear dealers) had come from the RV industry where he had spent 20+ years.

We got to talking, and he said the entire industry is oriented around a 2 year purchase/usage/abandon time frame. Buyers get excited, jump into the motorhome/TT/5W game, and use the vehicle/trailer for a bunch of trips (or not) that span a period of around 2 years. Then, as in the natural course of life, sh!t happens.

Interests change, fortunes change, illnesses/infirmities pop up, family crises come/go, malleable kids grow into recalcitrant teenagers that make miserable travel companions, etc, etc, etc. Result? RVs get parked, forgotten, neglected, and eventually sold at a deep discount.

But the folks in Indiana could hardly give a hoot. They made their money long ago. As a result, workmanship, quality control, warranty support, etc are sub-optimal at best. That is, corp HQ is betting on the Vegas odds; smart actually, and the way investors (guess what, your own 401k) want it played.

LD of course well recognizes and understands this dynamic just as well as anyone else, so long ago (at least 70s) they made an interesting calculation that there would be some number of buyers each year willing to wait and receive a better quality product. The proof is in the pudding, as LD consistently has had a backlog for 50 something years.

Yet, LD is also playing the margins, as they continue to milk an entirely obsolete platform in the form of the E450. They cannot afford the R&D to switch to new platform like the Sprinter or Transit, and they can barely continue to do business in Calif. So, as they too can milk the market, why not?

The bottom line is that a LD is not technically difficult to build - it's not like the guys in Elkhart are flummoxed - on the contrary, it's actually quite trivial. So the issue really comes down to effort/cost vs profit. Unless a family member is willing to make a move to the border states on the Mason-Dixon line, LD will eventually fade or be put out by a fresh start-up.

The next person who figures out a way to build something of LD's quality, albeit in a business friendly state (gee, why are the foreign auto mfgs located in these states?), on a new(er) contemporary platform will eventually end up vacuuming up the business for the higher end, good quality RV.
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Could you be more specific with examples of how Lazy Daze is being impaired by operating in California?  I can’t see how Steve would be better off elsewhere with all things considered. He’s got no rent and low property taxes. His biggest problem is actually ours, not his:  he has no family member or partner to carry on the business.  When he goes, the company goes. That’s not a California problem, that’s a life issue. — Jon
(Former) ‘06 TK “Albatross.” And (former) Vespa 250.   Alas, no more; both are gone.😕 Great memories remain! 😄
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Reply #15 –
"They cannot afford the R&D to switch to new platform like the Sprinter or Transit..."
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Jon already asked for examples of why the OP feels that LD can "barely continue to do business in California", and to the future of the business, so my comments/opinions relate to the "platform" choices.

Steve has done plenty of very costly non-Ford chassis R&D in past years that has come to very little; the Kodiak debacle is one example. While the E450's days may be numbered, it's still a very viable platform choice, and has been regularly updated over the years; a proven design, a powerful, reliable engine with widely-available service locations, an improved, well-matched transmission, reasonable base cost, and a gvwr of 14500 pounds are among the appeals that make the cab chassis "E" Ford a very popular base unit. Ford's other "alphabet series", the "Fs", are similar in specs, and already in use by a few manufacturers; Lazy Daze could go to the "pickup nose" with the demise of the E450, but at this point, making this change seems unlikely as long as the E450 is still in production and LD's E450 chassis allocation can keep up with the orders.

A primary "plus" of the E450 as an RV platform is its gvwr of 14500 pounds; the MB Sprinter chassis has a gvwr of 11030 pounds, the Ford Transit's gvwr is 10300, and the Dodge ProMaster gvwr is a puny 9400; none of these comes anywhere close to the E450's capacities.

As always, YMMV.


2003 TK has a new home
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Reply #16 –
We would not be interested in traveling in a tin can like the Sprinter or Transit on the long trips we enjoy. The E450 is dated, but it we are too and it works for us.
Don & Dorothy
Sold our LD in June of 2023

Our boring always non-PC travel blog
Traveling Dorothy
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Reply #17 –
The demise of the Ford e450 cutaway chassis has no real end in sight as long as there is a high enough demand for it in a wide variety of applications. This includes Recreational Vehicles.

Between Winnebago, Jayco, many of Thor’s lineup and yes even Lazy Daze there appears to be a high enough demand for the e450 cutaway to satisfy the Ford stock holders.
 Ford Will Continue E-Series Cutaway/Stripped Chassis - PickupTrucks.com News

It’s kind of like chasing a rainbow...it’s really hard to reach the end. And that’s ok by me.

Kent
2015 27' RB "MissB.Haven"
Re: What a Lazy Daze is NOT ... An Interesting Read
Reply #18 –
Quote from: JCT  - 
"They cannot afford the R&D to switch to new platform like the Sprinter or Transit..."
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Jon already asked for examples of why the OP feels that LD can "barely continue to do business in California", and to the future of the business, so my comments/opinions relate to the "platform" choices.

Steve has done plenty of very costly non-Ford chassis R&D in past years that has come to very little; the Kodiak debacle is one example. While the E450's days may be numbered, it's still a very viable platform choice, and has been regularly updated over the years; a proven design, a powerful, reliable engine with widely-available service locations, an improved, well-matched transmission, reasonable base cost, and a gvwr of 14500 pounds are among the appeals that make the cab chassis "E" Ford a very popular base unit. Ford's other "alphabet series", the "Fs", are similar in specs, and already in use by a few manufacturers; Lazy Daze could go to the "pickup nose" with the demise of the E450, but at this point, making this change seems unlikely as long as the E450 is still in production and LD's E450 chassis allocation can keep up with the orders.

A primary "plus" of the E450 as an RV platform is its gvwr of 14500 pounds; the MB Sprinter chassis has a gvwr of 11030 pounds, the Ford Transit's gvwr is 10300, and the Dodge ProMaster gvwr is a puny 9400; none of these comes anywhere close to the E450's capacities.

As always, YMMV.

Not being a big car or truck aficionado, I have no idea what is good vs. great and I don't have the knowledge to say to myself "Wow, wouldn't it be awesome if the LD was on a different chassis."  What I do know is we have a wonderful, blue 2017 27'MB-LD that we've been putting through the paces for the last 14 months.  We've been on the road for 7 of the 14, put over 19,000 miles on her, camped in 29 states and other than oil changes, tire rotations, a generator oil change and a propane tank connector tightened, she has been a blessing and a joy.  She's climbed the Rockies and the not-as-majestic Blue Ridge; she's camped on sand dunes overlooking the Atlantic and in a parking lot overlooking the concrete and steel mountains of New York City. She doesn't squeak or moan, and pulls our little Sonic as if nothing was behind her.  Now it's possible someone will do something new and exciting that will inspire and awe the high-end market, but personally, the idea of that happening is a big yawn for me.  I have an LD that will last me for the next 10 years (at least), and by the time I'm 80, I'm guessing I'll be through wandering.
David and Marie Philbrick
Proud former 2017 27' MB Owners
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Reply #19 –
Neither my wife or I am all that comfortable in the front passenger seat of our 2007 MidBath.  This by the way is not a Lazy Daze issue but a o7 E450 issue. 
I briefly considered selling my LD for a Sprinter based Pleasure Way B+.  Pleasure Way has no slides and sorta follows the LD model in building a quality product.  They tend to have as good or  better OCCC rating when compared to other Sprinter based RVs of similar size and build quality.   The ones I looked at had a OCCC in the neighborhood of 1050 lbs when they were equipped more less how I would buy one.  Based on the weight of my LD going down the road I probably could make that weight; but it would be very tight.  I often take a full tank of water with me to several of the places I camp. That would be a challenge in any Sprinter based class C, or B+ .  If we were to do mostly local short trips, and stay at places with hookups we could live with the reduced OCCC. But that is not how we camp.
Currently: 2008 36' Tiffin Open Road
Previously: 2007 Mid Bath
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Reply #20 –
Could you be more specific with examples of how Lazy Daze is being impaired by operating in California?  I can't see how Steve would be better off elsewhere with all things considered. He's got no rent and low property taxes. His biggest problem is actually ours, not his:  he has no family member or partner to carry on the business.  When he goes, the company goes. That's not a California problem, that's a life issue. -- Jon

LD's output is limited to around 200 vehicles per year because of production constraints arising from air quality control issues resulting from their paint facilities. Since LD uses very high quality, yet also highly toxic two-part urethane marine paint, they can literally only paint around 1 RV per day with their current infrastructure.

The paint bay LD does have has all the requisite air filtration & recycle element required under extremely rigorous Calif and AQMB regulations:

https://yourstory.aqmd.gov/home

but it's an expensive investment. If LD were to build another one (assuming they even have available space), they'd have the ability to potentially double their through-put to 400 vehicles per year. But that brings up an entirely different set  of issues in terms of facilities, tooling, labor and associated capital/operating costs.

So, LD is a classic, late state mature company continuing to produce a quality product that people still demand. Yet, they'd literally get their clock cleaned if someone with industry experience opened a facility in a place like TX (where Toyota moved to out of SoCal) and took direct aim at their target market.

All it would take is committing to a new, standardized platform, and literally using wood, composites, etc to build the frame. Use quality products, pay attention to detail and appointments (that we all love and recognize as special), and copy the use of the super high quality marine paint. Voila.

All it will take is for someone to decide that it's a more effective path than working for Thor, et al to make a buck. Usually an ambitious 30-something with 10+ years under his belt and some financial backing. No slides, rock solid design & build - it's not hard, in fact it's a very ripe target.
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Reply #21 –
Quote from: Kent Heckethorn  - 
" The demise of the Ford e450 cutaway chassis has no real end in sight as long as there is a high enough demand for it in a wide variety of applications. This includes Recreational Vehicles.

Between Winnebago, Jayco, many of Thor’s lineup and yes even Lazy Daze there appears to be a high enough demand for the e450 cutaway to satisfy the Ford stock holders.
Ford Will Continue E-Series Cutaway/Stripped Chassis - PickupTrucks.com News

It’s kind of like chasing a rainbow...it’s really hard to reach the end. And that’s ok by me."
Kent I looked at the article you had a link to. That article was from April 2014! It is 4 years old. The E450 chassis is built not far from here in Avon, Ohio and I have not seen any new news about that chassis.  I suspect it will be around for a few more years but at some point Ford will need to make a decision to update the platform and drivetrain or pull the plug.

My current servicing independent repair shop has warned me to stay away from the Sprinter chassis; repairs and parts are expensive beyond belief. And the shop foreman wants first chance to buy my high mile rig when we decide to replace it.

Steve K.

Steve K

2003 Mid-bath
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Reply #22 –
The demise of the Ford e450 cutaway chassis has no real end in sight

Honestly, the only new RVs I see on the 450 are a vast multitude of Leprechauns and off-the-shelf Road Bear rental units. Two of the largest RV dealers are on the 405 in OC, and these rigs are everywhere.

I would guess that LD is the most expensive RV ($ per square foot) still being built on the platform. All the others are cheap, standard RVs with requisite slides, decals and other image impressions designed to sell a vehicle off the lot.

I don't think anyone can make the argument that the higher end, quality segment hasn't clearly moved to the Sprinter.
RoadTrek anyone?

As for brand loyalty, maybe it's a personal defect, but I was never was afflicted with that kind of sentiment. For example, we paid cash for a new 2018 JL Wrangler last spring, and I'd be the last guy to defend the poor build quality. Oh sure, there are Jeep loyalists who try to explain it away, but for me, the prudent thing to do was accept reality and get a life-time warranty.

Same with LD: it's a killer product, making hanging out in the RV a real pleasure. (Instead of the institutional feeling of a cheap fiberboard box with faux accents.) Perhaps if it was the 70s and these same issues were facing the family (with the key people much younger), they'd bite the bullet and make the move(s). But that era is over, and so the production runs will continue as long as there is demand.
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Reply #23 –
To reiterate what Jon mentioned above - it appears that LD may close or change drastically at some point in the future. One of my greatest concerns is that over the past few years investment firms have purchased up many of the smaller RV manufacturers and once common names have disappeared forever.

I have also read that Born Free were on par in many ways with Coach House and Lazy Daze prior to closing back in 2016. As unpredictable as the future is the prudent course for me is to lock in my 2019 LD and complete the purchase. Maybe I will not have the same opportunity in five, ten or twenty years. Or maybe new ownership will forever change the superior craftsmanship and fine attention to detail.
Chet in Yorktown, Virginia
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Reply #24 –
"Or maybe new ownership will forever change the superior craftsmanship and fine attention to detail."

Although I am deeply ashamed that I have forgotten the names of the Founders and Original Owners of AM Solar I knew them both, man & wife, as fine folks, always eager to provide a good product and customer satisfaction. Now that they have retired I notice that AM Solar is promoted as an Employee Owned Company.

It would be a good thing for Lazy Daze if that were to happen with them... but I wouldn't hold my breath just yet!   ::)   ;D 
Steve S.
Lazy Bones & Cedar
2004 30'IB (Island Bed)
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