What is the length of your LD and do you tow another vehicle?

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Re: What is the length of your LD and do you tow another vehicle?

Reply #25 – July 09, 2018, 07:34:46 pm

Quote from: JandS2 - July 09, 2018, 06:57:30 pm

Larry, since you do a lot of offroading, do you feel limited in where you can go with your Jeep or feel a Razor would limit you more?

A Razor is fine as long as you live and drive in Arizona, whee they can be street licensed and driven on secondary roads.
In the rest of the West, you have a non-street legal vehicle that can only be driven on dirt roads.
They are not allow in many parks, including one of my favorites, Death Valley NP or any other National Park.
That's a deal breaker.
We travel in the winter where a close vehicle is an asset, the A/C is nice in the summer too.
I want a go-almost-anywhere-in any-weather vehicle, not just a fair weather dirt toy.

We have already been through the off-road toy phase but if someone wants to give me a Razor, I would find uses for it but it would never replace our Cherokee.

A set up Subaru might be a better choice for you, IMO
Carry your kayaks on top. Andy had a Forester equipped with gas-piston assisted rack, it made loading and unloading the boats easy.
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Many times, we carry the boats on the Cherokee if we plan on launching away from the campsite. The kayaks are light and do not seriously effect how the Jeep drives.
It's good to have choices.

Larry

Re: What is the length of your LD and do you tow another vehicle?

Reply #26 – July 09, 2018, 07:40:38 pm

Of course, there’s always the untowed toad:

Re: What is the length of your LD and do you tow another vehicle?

Reply #27 – July 10, 2018, 05:24:24 am

Larry, I want my all weather and road safe vehicle for sure. I don’t consider a razor road safe as it is so light weight it will lose in any accident. We just want both.

Hmm, off roading is big in AZ including in the colder areas of the state because of so much terrain without even dirt roads. But I just asked Scott and in some areas of CO a razor could be used when he would hike in another hour past where he could drive to get to a good fishing spot. A car only takes you so far then you walk but you could get further in a razor.
So we might stil have that on our wish list.

A Forster is what we were planning on - our mechanic recommended a Suburu as better than Honda or Toyota for off road. We read a forester can be lifted to have reasonable good clearance.

Thanks for the kayak rack lift info (yes I am on my phone and not going’s back t check for the correct term). We will put that in our list also.

Re: What is the length of your LD and do you tow another vehicle?

Reply #28 – July 10, 2018, 09:10:24 am

Jane and Scott,

You may want to check out Brucey's YouTube channel for some insight on what a Subaru is capable of offroad. He drives a Gen5 Outback and is a regular on the Subaru Forums:

https://www.youtube.com/user/bruceyyyyy/videos

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Re: What is the length of your LD and do you tow another vehicle?

Reply #29 – July 10, 2018, 09:58:17 am

So, on the Razor/street legal front, is there no license 'reciprocity' for them state-to-state? With other street-legal machines, like cars, trucks, motorcycles, etc. what's legal in the state of licensing is legal everywhere else it's used. Not so with Razors?

Re: What is the length of your LD and do you tow another vehicle?

Reply #30 – July 10, 2018, 10:01:17 am

Quote from: Don Malpas - July 07, 2018, 04:49:36 pm

I seem to vaguely recall some "survey" on how many of us tow that was done in the last year or so. My guess is about 30-40 percent.

Ups and downs? You go slower uphills and lose a mpg towing.

What is your real question?

From the results so far we can see that 48% of those who participated tow another vehicle. Of course, that number may be skewed since possibly a larger percentage of those who tow would read this thread while while those who do not tow would skip right past it.

My real question is exactly what was posted - how many LD owners of the various lengths tow. My plans are to tow my Jeep Wrangler. What I found most interesting is that 29% of of the 24' tow while 52% of the 27' tow and 71% of the 31' tow - that's pretty cool info!

Quote from: JCT - July 07, 2018, 05:34:52 pm

Certain topics, e.g., the "tow or no tow?" question, seem to cycle through on a pretty regular basis. Just a suggestion: search the archives for past threads on topics of interest. The posts may not answer all of one's questions, but it's usually a good start to familiarizing oneself with what has gone before!

I looked and was unable to find a similar post and of course I spent many hours reading other tow related posts. Personally, I see great value in repeating certain topics every year or so since repeated topics provides a rich historical database for identification of trends or changes. Here is an example:

If I posted a poll today asking if owners would prefer their main engine to be 1) gasoline, 2) diesel, or 3) electrical my guess is most would select gasoline with a handful selecting diesel and a very small number opting for an electric drivetrain. Now if this same pole were given five or ten years ago we may have seen more interest in diesel and zero in electrical. Five, ten or twenty years into the future may reveal that diesel has faded into obscurity while there is a slow transition from conventional gasoline to electric.

I have never been afraid of asking questions and many times I ask the same questions again just so I fully understand.

Re: What is the length of your LD and do you tow another vehicle?

Reply #31 – July 10, 2018, 10:11:13 am

Quote from: Chip Chester - July 10, 2018, 09:58:17 am

So, on the Razor/street legal front, is there no license 'reciprocity' for them state-to-state? With other street-legal machines, like cars, trucks, motorcycles, etc. what's legal in the state of licensing is legal everywhere else it's used. Not so with Razors?

Razor and similar off-road vehicles are not built to Federal safety regulations, such as lights and mirrors, and do not satisfy the on-road emission or noise regulations.
Arizona make an exemption for certain size ORVs for limited street operation.
Most states have their own rules pertaining to ORV's registration and operation, some permit reciprocity, others do not. Before operating in another state, it best to check the rules to see if a permit or registration is required.

Larry

Re: What is the length of your LD and do you tow another vehicle?

Reply #32 – July 10, 2018, 12:18:30 pm

Quote from: Renegade242 - July 10, 2018, 10:01:17 am

I have never been afraid of asking questions and many times I ask the same questions again just so I fully understand.

And that's exactly what this forum is about, is it not? To use an overused, but still valid, saying: the only stupid question is the one not asked!

Re: What is the length of your LD and do you tow another vehicle?

Reply #33 – July 10, 2018, 01:11:39 pm

"And that's exactly what this forum is about, is it not? To use an overused, but still valid, saying: the only stupid question is the one not asked!"
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I don't believe that anyone on this forum feels that questions should not be asked. This is what I posted re: frequently recurring topics:

" Just a suggestion: search the archives for past threads on topics of interest. The posts may not answer all of one's questions, but it's usually a good start to familiarizing oneself with what has gone before!"

Readers have no way of knowing if a poster is familiar with the content of forum links, e.g., the Companion, Larry's projects, pricing charts, and/or has searched the board's archives, or has done any research from any source prior to asking questions unless the poster states what s/he has already done to find an answer.

Requests for suggestions for sources for equipment and/or services of many types, and questions on "all things Lazy Daze" and/or RVing-related in general are certainly welcome and encouraged, and I don't believe that anyone would wish it to be different. But, while it's true that information, products, equipment, techniques, technologies, "goseedo" information, and many other things develop and change, and past posts may not reflect current conditions, doing a bit of basic groundwork (and briefly expressing what "research" one has already done) before asking is very often a big help to both the questioner and the forum members who may contribute guidance and/or "answers".

YMMV, as ever.

Re: What is the length of your LD and do you tow another vehicle?

Reply #34 – July 11, 2018, 04:17:09 am

I think AZ says you can drive the razor on roads to and from where you are using it but places like a grocery store.
Golf carts in AZ are allowed to be driven to and from a golf course. Meant for the retirement neighborhoods where the golf court is in the neighborhood.

But as Larry said safety is an issue. The larger Razors have lights and I think (but am not sure) roll bars but like the old saying - of a VW bug (old style ones) and a Dog got in a wreck he Dog would win (be unharmed). While an exaggeration, the smaller the vehicle the more likely the other vehicle will be larger and “win”.

I saw an accident with a golf cart and car, on a main road - yup going to the grocery store - I have seen that many times. The crashes golf cart was not a pretty sight and the ambulance was there.

I would not want to drive any off road vehicle on a highway or public road. Only exception is an emergency and no other choice.

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