Re: 1991 LD with 90k miles Reply #200 – April 28, 2018, 09:41:32 am Quote from: meandthedogs - February 12, 2018, 01:58:19 amThanks!I checked it out today. I looked for signs of water intrusion, etc. This was, by far, the best looking RV I've looked at so far. Despite it's age, it looked amazingly good. Very little rust (a few spots on the truck nose where a bit of paint had chipped), no sign of leaks, everything started up and worked on first try. The seller had put in real hardwood floors, solar panels, a rear back up monitor, stereo. The above cabin bed and area looked almost new. I was pleasantly surprised.The tires looked good, but the guy did say he has not changed them in the 3 years he's owned the RV, and that he's put 4k on them. So I would probably need to get new ones. I drove it briefly on the freeway and it drove well, though I noticed that on braking it did pull to the left. My thought is it needs alignment. If there is some known problem of which this would be indicative, I would love to hear so I can look into it further.It's also not cheap- he's asking $12500. But where I live, there has been a shortage of used RVs since the fires in N. California. The prices on used RVs also have gone up ridiculously since then. And anything worth buying goes super fast- I missed a call one Saturday about an RV posted the night before. By time I talked to the seller 2 hours later, he had already sold it. Anyway, I told the guy I want to buy it. He is going to get it smogged (passed 6 months ago, but seller has to smog before selling here in CA), and then we're going to figure out how to get it to me. He's an hour drive from me with about 12 miles of very, very windy mountain roads that I am in no way ready to drive on my first try. I get nervous driving those roads in my Corolla!As for use- this is primarily to serve as a mobile office locally. I may have to go up some hills in San Francisco, but not often. I would love to take it on a road trip, but that's not the reason for buying it. If it seems good for a road trip, i will, but for now this is just the right configuration for my needs, and appears to be in fine condition for local use.That price is far above what it should be. Just bought mine, same model with less than 16K miles, for 4K. Granted I had leaks to repair. You should not be paying that much, no matter what. Sorry if this bursts your bubble.Remember to be highly circumspect with all responding posts. Those who are not wealthy, like yours truly, have different value systems than those who have a healthy cash flow. This is my home wher3eas to others it is simply a toy. I value mechanical soundness far above whether my LD is finished in gold or silver. I do not need anything bigger in every aspect, than what I bought. My biggest selling point is always the engine for example. To another, it is whether I can sleep 4 of 65! My chassis is a Chevy 350, 5.7l. I do not need anything bigger. Just know the limitations and plan accordingly. Unlike the Big Blocks, we are required to nurse our babies. Good luck to you.
Re: 1991 LD with 90k miles Reply #201 – April 28, 2018, 03:36:06 pm Quote from: Mindispower - April 28, 2018, 09:41:32 amThat price is far above what it should be. Just bought mine, same model with less than 16K miles, for 4K. Granted I had leaks to repair. You should not be paying that much, no matter what. Sorry if this bursts your bubble.Well, thanks, but if you read the rest of the thread, I bought it. I don't know where you live, but in my area everything costs substantially more than in the rest of the country, and RVs are no exception. Coupled with the massive fires in the area that displaced thousands of people, finding any decent, used RV for anything close to a reasonable price had become next to impossible. I had been looking for many months, and I continue to keep tabs on local RVs for sale, and the one I got was the ONLY one of its kind I have seen, i.e. the 22' MP. It's exactly what I was looking for, and since I don't have the luxury of flying to other parts of the country to look at ones that may be available, my options were pretty much limited to the more immediate area. I'm hoping for the best with the next inspection. With the work being done, it will certainly be mechanically sound. The house part is my biggest concern right now.Just as an aside- your model is likely not quite the same as mine. If you go through the ginormous thread here, you'll see that some say the house part was improved in models built after 1990 , and the transmission changed from a 3 to a 4 speed. Not sure how much it matters, but the implication is that models build after 1990 are at least somewhat improved over the earlier modes.Lisa 1 Likes
Re: 1991 LD with 90k miles Reply #202 – April 28, 2018, 03:56:06 pm Lisa said..”and the one I got was the ONLY one of its kind I have seen”.According to some very seasoned buyers of vintage goods, “The time to buy it is when you find it”...Mike Wolfe-American Pickers.Lisa...Best of everything in your renovation......Warts and all. 🤗Kent 2 Likes
Re: 1991 LD with 90k miles Reply #203 – April 28, 2018, 04:01:58 pm Quote from: Kent Heckethorn - April 28, 2018, 03:56:06 pmLisa said..”and the one I got was the ONLY one of its kind I have seen”.According to some very seasoned buyers of vintage goods, “The time to buy it is when you find it”...Mike Wolfe-American Pickers.Lisa...Best of everything in your renovation......Warts and all. 🤗KentTHANK YOU!
Re: 1991 LD with 90k miles Reply #204 – April 30, 2018, 08:45:45 pm HI Lisa,You may want to consider searching for Tim Pease. He worked for LD for many years. When we last talked with him, he was working at an RV dealership west of Sacramento. In the Vacaville area, perhaps? He is very knowledgeable on LD and was working for the factory at the time your rig was built. Does anyone on the forum have current contact info for him?Best,JuliW 1 Likes
Re: 1991 LD with 90k miles Reply #205 – April 30, 2018, 10:17:29 pm "You may want to consider searching for Tim Pease. He worked for LD for many years. "My Contact list shows his information as:Tim Pease909 / 228 - 8916emrv1111@yahoo.comI've written to him at that email address, but it was many years ago. No clue where he is now, but maybe this is a starting place. Virtual hugs, Judie <-- Sierra Vista, Arizona Adventures of Dorrie Anne | Photographing the West Today: Day of the Iguana ************************************** 1 Likes
Re: 1991 LD with 90k miles Reply #206 – April 30, 2018, 10:21:38 pm Thanks. Today I actually talked to a mobile RV mechanic named Tim who is in Morgan Hill. But he doesn't come up this far. Looks like I am going to be taking my LD to a place in San Jose. The woman I've been talking to who works there has an LD and said not to jump to conclusions until it's been inspected. I did get pics from mechanic today and to me it looks terrible. Definitely rot under the rear of the vehicle. And some issue with rear bathroom wall. However, the mechanic said he sees no indication of a roof leak or anything from on top, but because the spare tire compartment is fiberglass and intact, he said there is no way to check behind it without disassembling, which they don't do. Both he and the RV shop woman seem to think the damage is at the bottom and may be via broken seals in the tail lights. The brakes and front end work has already been done, so I'm going to pick up the RV in next couple days and probably just drive it down to San Jose for the inspection and hope for the best. After getting a new tranny, alternator, brakes, and suspension work, I don't see how I could make my money back by selling it now even if I wanted to do so. Therefore, if the inspection shows even moderate damage but of a type that can be slowed and make the RV safe and usable for at least a couple years, I'll likely just take that route. If my plan for the RV works out, I'll hopefully be in a position within a couple years to get another one if and when the times comes.If anyone has contact info for the Tim from LD, please do let me know.Thanks!Lisa
Re: 1991 LD with 90k miles Reply #207 – May 01, 2018, 12:34:32 am Tim Pease worked at Lazy Daze before moving to the Sacramento area several years ago. As I remember, he worked for an RV dealership in Fairfield (?) and had his own RV inspection and repair business called “Extra Mile RV”. The website for that business is inactive, and I have no idea if he is still active in any RV-connected business. Leaks in the “light cans” are possible rot causes, but I think it’s more likely that water damage in the rear is from water leaking into the framing from around the rear window and/or from compromised roof seals or breaks in the sealant around the bases of the aluminum tubing of the “roof rack”.
Re: 1991 LD with 90k miles Reply #208 – May 01, 2018, 09:27:19 am Quote from: JCT - May 01, 2018, 12:34:32 amTim Pease worked at Lazy Daze before moving to the Sacramento area several years ago. As I remember, he worked for an RV dealership in Fairfield (?) and had his own RV inspection and repair business called “Extra Mile RV”. The website for that business is inactive, and I have no idea if he is still active in any RV-connected business. Found his Facebook page which may be of help:https://www.facebook.com/tim.pease.98 1 Likes
Re: 1991 LD with 90k miles Reply #209 – May 01, 2018, 10:57:05 am My experience with a ‘92 that had rot on the rear end was that the rear end caps were leaking, where the upper and lower pieces meet. Water ran down and rot set in. On some older models the wood was not sealed under the ABS caps, and a broken seal let in the water. My account is detailed here, a search for “end caps” turns this up- Repairing an Older LDAnother discussion: might be buying my first LD! need some help.Another discussion on this subject: Wood rot. Rear bumper.Good luck! It was well worth fixing ours, we love the old thing. 1 Likes
Re: 1991 LD with 90k miles Reply #210 – May 04, 2018, 03:14:11 am I picked up my LD from the mechanic in San Leandro yesterday and drove it to the body shop/RV mechanic in San Jose. The longest drive for me yet. According to my dad, to whom I read the litany of work performed, I essentially had the entire front end re-done. No more pulling to the left, brakes felt much better, and steering not nearly as loose. Honestly, I don't know what I'm supposed to expect for steering in one of these. I assume there has to be more play than what I'm used to in my Corolla, I just don't know how much.I drove her about 30 miles on the freeway in fairly heavy traffic. Even drove 60 mph ;P. Felt much safer than before.Once at the body shop, I learned I need new tires. Having been somewhat waylaid with a head injury, never did check, but now know they are 10 years old. Eek! Was shown the date on the tire. Will be getting an assessment of the rot, the serious, serious rust (they said if they remove the bumper to assess situation behind bumper, they cannot put it back on for liability reasons). I've called my insurance to see if they'll cover the damage I caused the first time I drove it.The initial assessment by the auto body/RV mechanic place was that even with the rust and rot, the vehicle is safe to drive and poses no danger of falling apart tomorrow. They said I could leave it as is and drive it for the next two years without any concern. So that's a relief. My biggest concern right now is how much my dogs hate riding in it. I did not expect that at all. I think they are getting carsick because they can't sit next to an open window. Not really sure what to do about that. I don't want to leave the sliding windows in back open because with only a screen to keep them in, it's kind of scary. Especially on the freeway. Suggestions on that welcome.Lisa
Re: 1991 LD with 90k miles Reply #211 – May 04, 2018, 07:48:06 am We put a folding camp stool between the chassis seats for the dog to look out the front window. She is bigger at 85 pounds. 1 Likes
Re: 1991 LD with 90k miles Reply #212 – May 04, 2018, 11:28:37 am Lisa,Before we took our 3 little dogs on a trip in the LD, we simply sat in the coach, while it sat in the driveway, for increasing periods of time. Muppet, our blind Morky, was very nervous for several “driveway” adventures.The other two dogs loved to sniff about and relax. Occasionally as I would go out to the rig, I would take them all out with me to see their new home on wheels.On our first Full Family Adventure, it was Home as usual and the dogs all settled in for the journey.There is a company called Bach’s Rescue Remedy that is Flower based to relieve anxiety in people. Works great to settle ones nerves. They also make a Pet Formula to work on similar issues for our K9 family members. Perhaps this could help in your case. I generally find the best prices on eBay (store prices are rather high) it is also available on Amazon.Hope this helps and best of luck with your LD repairs. You’ve come a long way.Kent 3 Likes
Re: 1991 LD with 90k miles Reply #213 – May 04, 2018, 12:51:52 pm Quote from: meandthedogs - May 04, 2018, 03:14:11 am I assume there has to be more play than what I'm used to in my Corolla, I just don't know how much. Will be getting an assessment of the rot, the serious, serious rust (they said if they remove the bumper to assess situation behind bumper, they cannot put it back on for liability reasons)Your G-30 will never steering as tightly as a modern car, neither do the E450s.The essential thing is you don't want it to wander and to steer straight without constant correction.You will get use to it in a few hundred miles of driving. The hardest thing for many is getting used to driving with the mirrors, make sure they are adequate to see everything on the both sides, including the ground. Adding convex mirrors can be helpful. Rot in the rear wall can be assessed without removing the rear bumper, accessing the wall from under the rig or from the inside. Behind the bumper is the aluminum skin.Larry
Re: 1991 LD with 90k miles Reply #214 – May 04, 2018, 02:45:46 pm "My biggest concern right now is how much my dogs hate riding in it. "If your dogs are crate trained you might try putting their crates on the LD couch.My two freaked out until I crated them. I anchored the crates to the couch with the seat belts.Much safer as well. Langton 1 Likes
Re: 1991 LD with 90k miles Reply #215 – May 04, 2018, 03:02:13 pm Quote from: Kent Heckethorn - May 04, 2018, 11:28:37 amBefore we took our 3 little dogs on a trip in the LD, we simply sat in the coach, while it sat in the driveway, for increasing periods of time. Hi,Thanks for the replies. I've had them hanging out in the RV while parked in my yard with no problem. They like it when it's not moving! That's why I think it's carsickness- because my larger dog starts panting alot and trying to look out the front windshield while in transit and does not want to lay down on the floor (the safest place for him to be). My girl gets carsick in the car if the window is not open, and when in the RV they both look she does in the car- glassy eyed, panting and generally not so well. I appreciate the Rescue Remedy suggestion- I've tried that with both dogs when flying and it didn't seem to help much. I think i just need to figure out some way for them to be able to sit near a window but also be restrained in the event of a sudden stop. There are special dog harnesses made for driving, but the only one that's passed crash tests is a PITA to use and did not fit my girl well at all. I may end up having to bring a crate for at least one of them. I guess this is another thing to figure out!Lisa
Re: 1991 LD with 90k miles Reply #216 – May 04, 2018, 03:05:43 pm Quote from: Larry W - May 04, 2018, 12:51:52 pmRot in the rear wall can be assessed without removing the rear bumper, accessing the wall from under the rig or from the inside. Behind the bumper is the aluminum skin.Hi, They want to remove the bumper to see if/how bad the rust is behind it. The bumper is SO rusted it's like a croissant. Every shop person that's seen it has asked if she was parked at a beach or from some where with a lot of snow because they can't figure out how it got SO rusted. It is pretty intense. I know it's stayed on the West Coast, but it may be from living in Santa Cruz for years and being parked under a tree. I got a call from my insurance company and will see if anything is covered thanks to my lovely incident with the telephone pole...LIsa
Re: 1991 LD with 90k miles Reply #217 – May 04, 2018, 03:10:49 pm Quote from: Langton - May 04, 2018, 02:45:46 pm"My biggest concern right now is how much my dogs hate riding in it. "If your dogs are crate trained you might try putting their crates on the LD couch.My two freaked out until I crated them. I anchored the crates to the couch with the seat belts.Much safer as well. "Agreed. That's my thought, too. Only problem is lack of space- I have two big dogs and neither crate would fit on the sofas. I think one crate will fit in the table area with the dinette up, but then the other would either be in the hall way or not at all. And that also creates the issue of breaking down the crates every time we stop for a day. Once I get it back from the shop I'll assess my options. The last thing I want is either of my dogs flying through the windshield because some dumbass that doesn't know what a turn signal is decides to suddenly cut in front of my 10.5 ton vehicle. Since it's already happened several times in my limited driving, I know it's a common occurrence. (everyone should be required to drive one of these things as part of driver's ed. maybe then they'd get why they are endangering their own life when they cut one off.)
Re: 1991 LD with 90k miles Reply #218 – May 04, 2018, 03:30:25 pm Lisa, the gvwr of your 22’ LD Is 10,500 *pounds*, not 10,500 tons. And, unless it’s loaded to the max (or overloaded), it’s probably under its gvwr. 😉 1 Likes
Re: 1991 LD with 90k miles Reply #219 – May 04, 2018, 03:50:38 pm Quote from: meandthedogs - May 04, 2018, 03:02:13 pmHi,Thanks for the replies. I've had them hanging out in the RV while parked in my yard with no problem. They like it when it's not moving! That's why I think it's carsickness- because my larger dog starts panting alot and trying to look out the front windshield while in transit and does not want to lay down on the floor (the safest place for him to be). My girl gets carsick in the car if the window is not open, and when in the RV they both look she does in the car- glassy eyed, panting and generally not so well. I appreciate the Rescue Remedy suggestion- I've tried that with both dogs when flying and it didn't seem to help much. I think i just need to figure out some way for them to be able to sit near a window but also be restrained in the event of a sudden stop. There are special dog harnesses made for driving, but the only one that's passed crash tests is a PITA to use and did not fit my girl well at all. I may end up having to bring a crate for at least one of them. I guess this is another thing to figure out!LisaYou can leave the rear windows open by putting a dowel rod or something similar in the window track so it won't open more than is necessary for the dogs to get air.Chris 1 Likes
Re: 1991 LD with 90k miles Reply #220 – May 04, 2018, 04:15:49 pm Quote from: JCT - May 04, 2018, 03:30:25 pmLisa, the gvwr of your 22’ LD Is 10,500 *pounds*, not 10,500 tons. And, unless it’s loaded to the max (or overloaded), it’s probably under its gvwr. 😉Doh! Right.Well, still that's pretty damn heavy!!
Re: 1991 LD with 90k miles Reply #221 – May 04, 2018, 04:46:53 pm A possible name for your rig is #5TONS 1 Likes
Re: 1991 LD with 90k miles Reply #222 – May 04, 2018, 06:43:39 pm It's pretty common to be a bit apprehensive when one starts driving a vehicle that is considerably larger and heavier than one is used to, particularly if one is driving on heavily trafficked, fast-moving freeways, navigating in tight conditions, and/or driving in unfamiliar territory or in poor weather that impairs visibility. These fears usually diminish or disappear altogether as one gains skills and confidence with practice and experience. A few basic tips:Know the dimensions of the RV; width, length and height are critical measurements. Use the mirrors; make sure they're adjusted to include as much rear and side views as possible.Learn lane placement; sight a "spot" on the lower left driver's side windshield to position the rig in the middle of its lane. Be constantly aware of what's going on around you; anticipate the "moron moves" and be ready to maneuver quickly when they occur. And, slow down; stick in the right lane as much as possible; larger, heavier vehicles obviously take longer and more distance to stop and can be difficult to control if one is driving too fast for conditions.Practice maneuvering the rig in a large parking lot (if you can find one that isn't full!). Use a couple traffic cones if necessary and work on backing up, making turns so the back end doesn't smack something (like the gas pump!) or the rear wheels don't run up over the curb. Practice will improve your ability to judge distances and clearances.Watch out for hidden obstacles; if you can't *see* exactly where you're going and what could be in the way in every direction, GOAL! (Get Out And Look)Don't be wimpy about driving in "challenging" conditions, but use common sense and don't exceed your skills and experience; if in "route doubt, check it out!" ---I took delivery of my LD late in the afternoon of November 12, 2003; as I was getting gas, the sky turned black, the temperature dropped, and the wind and rain whipped in. I was headed for East Shore RV park to overnight; I had driving lessons scheduled with the RV School for the next two mornings. Hail hammered my new toy, visibility on the freeway was almost zero due to the pouring rain and darkness, and the power went out, leaving the freeway signs almost invisible. I still have no idea how I managed not to dump the rig into a ditch or how I found the exit and navigated pitch black streets up to the RV park; all I could think of was that I'd just spent a whole lot of $ on a brand new LD and it was a good possibility that neither of us was going to get out of the "wild ride" in one piece! This was a less-than-ideal delivery experience, and the driving instructor's comment when he arrived at the RV park the next morning (a bright, sunny, and warm morning!) was that since I had made it from Point A to Point B through the previous night's mess, I was probably OK to be running around loose in an RV. Freak Storm Leaves Los Angeles Under a Foot of Hail - The New York Times 5 Likes
Re: 1991 LD with 90k miles Reply #223 – May 04, 2018, 08:07:06 pm Joan’s recommendations are solid as a rock. If I may? I would like to add one word of caution. Many of us are used to driving our “cars” and tend to be able to find the brake pedal in heavy bumper to bumper traffic by simply pivoting our gas foot over to the brake pedal without the need to “lift” and place our foot directly in line with the brake pedal. Driving a LD makes this simple move very hazardous during rush hour stop and go traffic. I have on two occasions found myself pressing on the gas pedal and the brake at the same time when inching along during rush hour. The result is a frightening feeling that something is about to go horribly wrong...like slamming into the car in front of me.Never again! Now I very consciously “lift” my gas foot off the gas pedal and direct my size 12 shoe to its proper position in front of the brake pedal. It’s a simple thing, I know, but I had to learn my lesson twice. Thinking all the time...”Why isn’t this thing stopping”? while listening to that big beautiful V10 roar when it should have been quiet as a lamb.Lesson learned...for me.Kent 1 Likes
Re: 1991 LD with 90k miles Reply #224 – May 05, 2018, 02:05:08 am Regarding the K-9 issues. There are those who object to considering them as qualitatively similar with human children. They are creatures for which we are responsible. If they have a problem with that, it is their problem, not ours. 1. The open window: we had a Toyota pickup with a shell and were worried about the dogs going out the window screen. We got an aluminum decorative screen door panel and cut it to fit the window. It replaced the screen and was secure so they would not go out at an inauspicious time. It does clutter the viewshed, and you can do it as a temporary or permanent solution.2. We had a newfoundlander whose anxiety was relieved when he stuck his nose in the vent when the fan was on. It became known as the 'dog trank'. It might be worth a try.3. Do their behaviors differ from being in the car and the LD, and, if so, how? That might help to find solutions. 1 Likes
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