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Photos from RV show (not mine)
I found this elsewhere on the net today -- scroll past the lovely Showhaulers and take a look at the innovative construction Jayco is now employing.  In particular, admire the spiffy way they bent some aluminum square tubing in a corner area.

Some cool things I saw at the RV show in Tampa. - Album on Imgur

If that's what they'e openly showing to the public, can you imagine what the hidden details are like?
fu
2015TK
Re: Photos from RV show (not mine)
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Didn’t know that Tiffin, a quality RV manufacturer, made a Class C until I saw one in a campground yesterday.
A 24’ model (perfect for us 😉), Sprinter chassis, 11,030 GVWR. 15,250 GCWR. 5,000# towing capability.

The owner had just picked it up from the dealer in SLC. This was his first camping trip. In spite of my hints, he didn’t offer a tour.😰

Nice looking rig.
Pricey $$$$.

Tiffin Wayfarer Class C Diesel Motorhomes | General RV

Wayfarer | Tiffin Motorhomes

LD built with the huge TK windows and I’ll place my order. 👍
 
Re: Photos from RV show (not mine)
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Quote from: Ed 111  - 
Didn’t know that Tiffin, a quality RV manufacturer, made a Class C until I saw one in a campground yesterday.
A 24’ model (perfect for us 😉), Sprinter chassis, 11,030 GVWR. 15,250 GCWR. 5,000# towing capability.

The owner had just picked it up from the dealer in SLC. This was his first camping trip. In spite of my hints, he didn’t offer a tour.😰

Nice looking rig.
Pricey $$$$.

Tiffin Wayfarer Class C Diesel Motorhomes | General RV

Wayfarer | Tiffin Motorhomes

LD built with the huge TK windows and I’ll place my order. 👍
The new Tiffin Wayfarer looks pretty sharp, but take a look at the ROCCC (Realistic Occupant and Cargo Carrying Capacity). According to the specs in a recent article about this RV in MotorHome magazine, the ROCCC is 450 lbs. The ROCCC includes full water, fuel, propane and no passengers or cargo. So…if one is traveling with full holding tanks (in addition to full water) and fuel, there would be no capacity left for passengers let alone any cargo. How could a reputable company like Tiffin offer this to the public?
Chris
Formerly: 2002 30' IB
Re: Photos from RV show (not mine)
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Quote from: thefuofus  - 
I found this elsewhere on the net today -- scroll past the lovely Showhaulers and take a look at the innovative construction Jayco is now employing.  In particular, admire the spiffy way they bent some aluminum square tubing in a corner area.

Some cool things I saw at the RV show in Tampa. - Album on Imgur

If that's what they'e openly showing to the public, can you imagine what the hidden details are like?

It's odd that there was any exposed tubing at all. My Jayco Class C doesn't have any exposed tubing, for example. Was this perhaps a prototype you saw, and not a production vehicle?
2005 Jayco 24SS
Re: Photos from RV show (not mine)
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Did you get your Jayco before Thor bought the company?  ;)
2003 TK has a new home
Re: Photos from RV show (not mine)
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Quote from: Chris Horst  - 
The new Tiffin Wayfarer looks pretty sharp, ...How could a reputable company like Tiffin offer this to the public?
Chris
Everytime I see something I like there is a catch.
Guess that’s why we’re on our third LD.

Ed
Re: Photos from RV show (not mine)
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"Not my photos."
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I responded to the post from Eric Greenwell. Your statement was quoted in his post; his comment, "My Jayco Class C doesn't have any exposed tubing, for example." appears under that.

 
2003 TK has a new home
Re: Photos from RV show (not mine)
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Quote from: JCT  - 
"Not my photos."
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I responded to the post from Eric Greenwell. Your statement was quoted in his post; his comment, "My Jayco Class C doesn't have any exposed tubing, for example." appears under that.

I also did not realize you were responding to my remark, because the forum doesn't offer an obvious clue to the threading. My Jayco is a 2005 model. But, I haven't seen exposed structure,  tubing or wood, in any RV, which made me think that particular unit might be a prototype. Generally, I'd expect production models to use formed tubes because it's cheaper to produce (less hand work, less rejects), and to cover the tubing for appearance and insulation reasons.
2005 Jayco 24SS
Re: Photos from RV show (not mine)
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"...because the forum doesn't offer an obvious clue to the threading."
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My comment appeared in the post immediately following yours (at least that was the order that showed on my laptop), so I didn't consider that the post/response order might lack continuity.

No big deal, of course.
2003 TK has a new home
Re: Photos from RV show (not mine)
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Quote from: Chris Horst  - 
So…if one is traveling with full holding tanks (in addition to full water) and fuel, there would be no capacity left for passengers let alone any cargo.
How could a reputable company like Tiffin offer this to the public?
Caveat emptor.
Evidently, it isn't against the law to sell vehicle with no cargo capacity.
Many (most?) RV buyers are totally unaware of this, because they impulse buy without doing their homework.
Most assume that a reputable company, like Tiffin, would never do such an unethical thing...wrong.
Until some lawyer wins a major accident suit, based on the fact that the RV must be overloaded to be minimally useful, the RV manufacturers will continue to do so.
The majority of RV manufacturers play games with their weigh numbers, the only way to truly know how much a potential  RV weights is to have it weighed, preferably before buying it, and comparing the measured weight to the vehicle's VIN and capacity plate. Even then, the manufacturers plays games.
My brother 2005 24' E350 Winnie's Factory GVW plate had been amended, by Winnebago, to 12,000-lbs,  just with the addition of air bags. No other upgrades to the springs, brakes or frame thickness.
Interesting that Ford doesn't prohibit this.
I wouldn't expect any new Federals rules pertaining to this.

Wonder if European Sprinter-type RVs are subject to weight regulations?
They appear to use a lot of lightweight construction techniques.

Diesel Sprinters are nice trucks but they lack the extra CCC fo the weight of slides, large tanks or big batteries.
LD had a very similar situation with the 2002, and older, 23.5' model's limited 11,050-lbs GVW.
It's real easy to overload one of these older, lightweight LDs.
They do have one real advantage over the later E450 models, they get much better mileage, being lighter and having a 4.11 rear axle ratio, compared to the E450's 4.56 ratio, allowing the engine to spin slower at cruising speeds.

What's needed is a new generation of RV chassis that uses all the available engine and material technology .
Hybrid RVs make a lot of sense, a big lithium battery, used for storing braking energy on downgrades, could save a lot of fuel, while also keeping a super size coach battery charged, it could be a win-win situation.
With the use newer strength steel and aluminum body panels, a lot of weight could be knocked off, safely allowing the weight of slides and other 'necessities'. Ford is already doing this with some of their trucks and larger SUVs.

Larry


Larry
2003 23.5' Front Lounge, since new.  Previously 1983 22' Front Lounge.
Tow vehicles  2020 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon, 2001 Jeep Cherokee
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