27' Rear Bath or 31 Twin August 20, 2017, 08:47:17 pm Hello - we visited the Factory last February and are on "the list". We have also visited Winkler Manitoba and toured the Leisure Travel Van factory. Been to the closest Airstream dealer in Minneapolis - a half dozen times. We keep coming back to the realization that we love Lazy Daze. When we visited the California factory we reviewed the 27' mid bath. It was wonderful to be able to simply be in the unit and "pretend" to use it. However, we feel the 27' rear bath or even better yet, the 31' Twin might be the best. Is there anyone in the upper Midwest who has a 31' we could view? We were told we could probably view the 27' rear bath when we visit the factory again this January...We like the idea of a made-up bed and I like to go to bed earlier than my wife. We are planning on retirement in 5-7 years from now. Looking for advice or a possible review of a privately owned 31' in our area - Fargo North Dakota. Within the 3-4 state area...Thank you - Jay
Re: 27' Rear Bath or 31 Twin Reply #1 – August 21, 2017, 11:44:14 am "We like the idea of a made-up bed and I like to go to bed earlier than my wife. We are planning on retirement in 5-7 years from now. "We had a TK for ten years, and now have had an RB for nearly as long - with a 40-footer in between for eight years. Each of these floorplans was perfect for the time that we bought it. But our physical circumstances have changed, and at this very moment, I would give my eye teeth to have a 31-foot Twin Bed model in place of our RB.If you can project into the future (if you can, please share your method!) what your circumstances might be when you are using the rig more of the time, the longer model might be the floorplan you choose. On the other hand, if you want/need a shorter rig for an interim time, you might want to use what is good for you now, and make an adjustment if/when the time comes.I can tell you for sure that alternating bedtime/arising schedules can be dicey, and the better you are prepared to deal with that in a manner suitable for both of you, the happier everyone will be.This is a very individual thing. Sometimes these things hinge on accommodations for pets, so there is no one-size-fits-all answer. Virtual hugs, Judie 3 Likes
Re: 27' Rear Bath or 31 Twin Reply #2 – August 21, 2017, 05:52:22 pm Thank you Judie - I appreciate your most welcome comments. Well.. we reaffirmed our wanting a separate bedroom area from living area on Sunday. We both woke up early on and enjoyed our living room and drinking coffee in our living room furniture...not worrying about making up the bed until later (later being right before the CBS Sunday Morning News Program at 8:00 a.m.) We have always made the bed in the morning before breakfast and off to work (we have always traveled to work together for almost 30 years now..working in Downtown Fargo - me at the Bank and Shari at City Hall). Later that day we had a quiet evening reading in the living room and listening to Minnesota Public Radio - Classical. When we were tired we were able to go to our bed. So translating this to being in a Lazy Daze motorhome...we would enjoy the separate bedroom from living room for our lifestyle. Not having to "make-up" our sleeping arrangements at the end of the day. Since the time before our retirement will not be that long... and hopefully in the future we will be able to spend more than a day or two in the motorhome - the separate bedroom of the 31' Twin will be a wise choice. I'm wondering if the "driving" difference between a 27' and 31' will be that much...?
Re: 27' Rear Bath or 31 Twin Reply #3 – August 21, 2017, 05:53:45 pm Oh and Judie - we don't have pets and since we don't have any children we probably will never have any overnight guests with us in the coach.
Re: 27' Rear Bath or 31 Twin Reply #4 – August 21, 2017, 07:45:32 pm Quote from: Jay Krabbenhoft - August 21, 2017, 05:52:22 pmThank you Judie - I appreciate your most welcome comments. Well.. we reaffirmed our wanting a separate bedroom area from living area on Sunday. We both woke up early on and enjoyed our living room and drinking coffee in our living room furniture...not worrying about making up the bed until later (later being right before the CBS Sunday Morning News Program at 8:00 a.m.) We have always made the bed in the morning before breakfast and off to work (we have always traveled to work together for almost 30 years now..working in Downtown Fargo - me at the Bank and Shari at City Hall). Later that day we had a quiet evening reading in the living room and listening to Minnesota Public Radio - Classical. When we were tired we were able to go to our bed. So translating this to being in a Lazy Daze motorhome...we would enjoy the separate bedroom from living room for our lifestyle. Not having to "make-up" our sleeping arrangements at the end of the day. Since the time before our retirement will not be that long... and hopefully in the future we will be able to spend more than a day or two in the motorhome - the separate bedroom of the 31' Twin will be a wise choice. I'm wondering if the "driving" difference between a 27' and 31' will be that much...?The driving difference between 27' and 31' is not much, the difference being the need for being more careful when turning because of the longer rear section. One gets used to it. We have an '02 31' and enjoy having the fixed bed replete with Sleep Number mattress. My wife sleeps later than me, so being able to close off the bedroom in the morning is a plus. Were we to get another 31', I would get a TB. We are used to a king bed at home and find the smaller LD queen a little tight for us. Altho we have the pullout dinette option, I would get barrel chairs in new 31'. I miss having a chair/lounger to sit in.Chris 3 Likes
Re: 27' Rear Bath or 31 Twin Reply #5 – August 21, 2017, 08:19:42 pm Hi Jay and Shari,My DW and I seldom hit the hay at the same time as my work schedule is more 9 to 5 and her work hours vary week to week. This translates to our travel time in the RB as well. I generally stir early and enjoy a cup of coffee at the dinette or outside welcoming the day. Meanwhile she snoozes blissfully unaware of my activities . The twin couches are set up for dual purpose daily use. Daytime lounging and night time slumber. A few quick moves in the morning and they are ready for chatting with friends over a nice cup of coffee. No one is the wiser. But that's just us. In the past, we had a 27' TT with a rear bedroom. Ok at night but for us a waste of space during the day. The bed certainly never got used as a gathering center. It just sat there taking up space. But that's just us.The RB, for us, is the perfect compromise. Open, spacious, and with a little effort peaceful enough for a loving couple to share and give each other their own space morning or night.I certainly hope you have the opportunity to visit as many LD floor plans as possible before you shell out the bucks for your dream LD. We got ours, but that's just us.Kent 1 Likes
Re: 27' Rear Bath or 31 Twin Reply #6 – August 21, 2017, 08:57:51 pm The overcab bed is a static bedroom - if you want it to be. For us it was perfect because I slept up there, and DH, because of his bone problems, slept in a La Fuma chair between the sofa and the chairs. It was something of a challenge for me to get down in the middle of the night without stepping on his head, but usually I just sproinged across the sofa - which stays in its normal state.As the years passed, I was having a fair amount of trouble sproinging anywhere, let alone in the middle of the night, and problems came up. I still would rather have a separate bedroom, but my motivating problems seem to be lessening lately, so maybe in a few months, I will be more limber and able to whiz up and down that ladder with my former alacrity. That being the case, then the RB is a super wonderful floorplan because it is so open. Virtual hugs, Judie•~•~•~•~•~•~•~•~•~•~•~•~• 1 Likes
Re: 27' Rear Bath or 31 Twin Reply #7 – August 21, 2017, 09:24:29 pm We have been full timing in a 30' IB now for almost 9 years. Yeah, I can't believe that. Anyway, we knew we didn't want to make up a couch nor climb into an overhead and we remain happy with our choice. I wish we didn't have to watch the weight so closely but it hasn't been a huge issue for us. I keep lusting after something bigger but the size and windows keep us here.We like the MB and the RB but they just wouldn't work for us.Gayle is generally up before me and shuts off the bedroom. I like to read in bed so in our view the permanent bed is anything but a waste.Also, friends who have a MB have commented on how spacious ours seems.Jim 3 Likes
Re: 27' Rear Bath or 31 Twin Reply #8 – August 21, 2017, 09:50:48 pm Quote from: Jim & Gayle - August 21, 2017, 09:24:29 pmWe like the MB and the RB but they just wouldn't work for us. Gayle is generally up before me and shuts off the bedroom. I like to read in bed so in our view the permanent bed is anything but a waste. Also, friends who have a MB have commented on how spacious ours seems.As many LDOs have said more than once, every RV made by Lazy Daze has a basket full of happy owners. Some floor plans and lengths are more popular than others. At the end of the day, Owners happily tucked away in a LD just perfect for them.And so it goes. 1 Likes
Re: 27' Rear Bath or 31 Twin Reply #9 – August 22, 2017, 01:58:09 am A prime requirement for me is a fixed bed. Making up beds at night is the last thing I want to do.The bunk has served us well for over twenty years but it probably will not always be that way.If you want a real bed, a 31' LD is your choice. You will get used to any length, with time.A MB will work but to have a full size, pulled together bed is a lot of work and never will be as comfortable as a fixed bed, with a one-piece mattress. Sleeping bags are OK, sheets and blankets are even better and allow for seasonal variation.Some couples sleep apart, others like to sleep together. You sound like the second type.Do be aware that 31' foot models have limited CCC, you can't take it all with you, even if there is plenty of empty room.Larry 1 Likes
Re: 27' Rear Bath or 31 Twin Reply #10 – August 22, 2017, 02:21:13 am Appreciate the comments and good advice. It helps a person gain confidence in decision making. Right-away we will use our coach for visiting state parks in Minnesota, North Dakota and South Dakota. After retirement, maybe we will travel farther and for longer periods of time - especially maybe farther during the long cold winter months. I'm thinking that how you "live" at home is how you live in your RV. Again Judie - it is difficult to know what the future will bring. We found it interesting that the Airstream dealer told us that over 50% of their sales of trailers equipped with a bedroom area were twin-sized beds. This was due to the fact that folks were used to king size beds - didn't want to go to a queen and also the twin beds are used during the day as a separate lounge area. We seemed to like a 28' Airstream - so even at a 31' Lazy Daze twin, we would be shorter overall than a travel trailer and tow vehicle. I told Shari "last time I remember towing a trailer for any amount of time, it was a manure spreader"My mom and dad had a Winnebego Indian Travel Trailer in the mid 70's and I remember my dad saying that towing it with our 1973 Ford LTD Brougham was "like having a tin can tied to my tail"...
Re: 27' Rear Bath or 31 Twin Reply #11 – August 22, 2017, 10:15:30 am We purchased 31 foot new in 07 and have never regretted it for one moment. 50,000 miles, lived in it for months at a time,live in San Marcos, CA. have traveled to key West Florida, Nova Scotia, Alaska and parts in between.EnjoyBob Wilson 1 Likes
Re: 27' Rear Bath or 31 Twin Reply #12 – August 22, 2017, 10:30:00 am Quote from: Jay Krabbenhoft - August 22, 2017, 02:21:13 amWe seemed to like a 28' Airstream - so even at a 31' Lazy Daze twin, we would be shorter overall than a travel trailer and tow vehicle. I told Shari "last time I remember towing a trailer for any amount of time, it was a manure spreader"Of course, if you travel for any amount of time you are likely going to want to tow a car behind. I haven't ever measured but when hooked up I'm sure we are well over 40' long.Jim 1 Likes
Re: 27' Rear Bath or 31 Twin Reply #13 – August 22, 2017, 10:30:41 am Hi Jay. We have a MB so there is not much for me to add about the 31 footers. But, if you are interested in seeing other LDs, give some thought to going to a regional LD rally. For example, the North East group will be meeting on Cape Cod in September. Other groups, especially on the west coast, have gatherings nearly monthly. Most of the LDOs welcome wannabes who want to tour rigs and ask questions. We have had folks in and out of our rig measuring cabinet space and storage areas. Good luck with your decision. 3 Likes
Re: 27' Rear Bath or 31 Twin Reply #14 – August 22, 2017, 02:02:30 pm Thank you so very much for your kind invitation - rm2011ldmb!This Jan-Feb we plan on visiting my boss who winters for eight weeks in Palm Desert California. While there we will plan a trip to the "mothership" and view whatever models they have in production for us to view. In talking to Todd Miller - it sounds like there are no other 31' in production prior to where we are on the list. He stated that there will be 27' rear baths available to review in Jan-Feb - when we are currently planning a visit to California.We are so far away from everything here in North Dakota!
Re: 27' Rear Bath or 31 Twin Reply #15 – August 22, 2017, 03:12:04 pm Hi, Jay & Shari--RE: "We are so far away from everything here in North Dakota!" I feel the same way here in north Missouri!It's not "upper midwest," but it is closer than California--I have a 31' TB that I would be glad to let you explore/sit/lie down in--just give a holler if you're coming this way (I-35 is only about 40 minutes west of me).I chose the TB because I, too, wanted a dedicated bed that didn't need re-arranging into a sofa & I did not want to climb into a cabover (though I'm short, I remember a sense of claustrophobia sleeping up there with my sister--who is a *Sheri*--in a rented SOB during college). My folks had a Pace Arrow with an almost identical floor plan to my TB, because they had a king bed in the stix house & just felt cramped in anything smaller. For me, the TB has made it more comfortable when I've had my aunt or another traveling companion. Ldy Lulubelle's previous family replaced the factory cabinet between the beds with a removable custom table because they added about 6" extensions (supported by shelf brackets) along the length of each TB (it does make for a narrow pass between the TBs & I've banged my knees a few times) & replaced the factory mattresses with wonderfully comfortable temperature foam mattresses they got at Costco.Happy hunting!Lynne 2 Likes
Re: 27' Rear Bath or 31 Twin Reply #16 – August 22, 2017, 05:54:09 pm Now I'm wondering about the toilet in the 31' - I wish it was on the "floor" like the 27' rear bath...Always something..
Re: 27' Rear Bath or 31 Twin Reply #17 – August 22, 2017, 07:05:43 pm Ohh but the shower in a 31! Huge with a window for circulation. My wife was really impressed with quality of the inside and she usually is indifferent. We found a used one but couldn't get past the barrel chairs. Ron 2 Likes
Re: 27' Rear Bath or 31 Twin Reply #18 – August 22, 2017, 07:40:03 pm Quote from: Jay Krabbenhoft - August 22, 2017, 05:54:09 pmNow I'm wondering about the toilet in the 31' - I wish it was on the "floor" like the 27' rear bath...Always something..Here ya go, Jay: EZ GO™ | New & Seasonal - New Arrivals! | FreshFinds.comChris 1 Likes
Re: 27' Rear Bath or 31 Twin Reply #19 – August 22, 2017, 08:47:54 pm "Build a better mouse trap..." 1 Likes
Re: 27' Rear Bath or 31 Twin Reply #20 – August 24, 2017, 01:14:13 am Quote from: Jay Krabbenhoft - August 22, 2017, 05:54:09 pmNow I'm wondering about the toilet in the 31' - I wish it was on the "floor" like the 27' rear bath...Always something.. Jay--I'm in vertical shrink mode (so excited in 9th grade PE to be measured at 5' 1 3/4"--taller than my Little Red-headed Momma who was only 5'); during a recent DR visit I learned I'm back down to 5'. I can reach the toilet with no problem, though at the rate I'm going, the older I get the more sense Chris's EZ GO makes (& I could use it for the kitchen cabinets, too) Lynne 1 Likes
Re: 27' Rear Bath or 31 Twin Reply #21 – August 24, 2017, 02:40:37 pm Lynn - thank you - Mrs. K is 5' 1"...I always say "Shari is average for her height" ...as one of my quips..It is just that the toilet looks more "normal" on the floor vs. on a platform (in my opinion) as we were looking at Airstreams the models with the toilets on the floor looked nicer to me for some reason. I was just enamored by the 28 International Serenity Twin.
Re: 27' Rear Bath or 31 Twin Reply #22 – August 24, 2017, 06:38:39 pm Quote from: Jay Krabbenhoft - August 24, 2017, 02:40:37 pmLynn - thank you - Mrs. K is 5' 1"...I always say "Shari is average for her height" ...as one of my quips..It is just that the toilet looks more "normal" on the floor vs. on a platform (in my opinion) as we were looking at Airstreams the models with the toilets on the floor looked nicer to me for some reason. I was just enamored by the 28 International Serenity Twin.Hey, Jay would you (and Greg) mind moseying over to your forum profile and rejiggering your profile photo. We'd like to see you and Shari "upright". Chris 2 Likes
Re: 27' Rear Bath or 31 Twin Reply #23 – August 24, 2017, 07:28:25 pm Chris,Interestingly enough both member Avatar photos appear correctly positioned on my iPhone. Very interesting.Kent 1 Likes
Re: 27' Rear Bath or 31 Twin Reply #24 – August 24, 2017, 07:40:13 pm In reference to table sitting, our 2007, 31 foot bought new, we chose the 2 swivel barrel chairs. In our opinion, besides beingcomfortable, they provide the most room in that area. Ours still function like new, still original upholstery which looksand feels like new. Others may disagree, but that is why we all have choices. 4 Likes
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