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Help! Transmission help needed. Stuck in the boonies!
Hello friends, I've been dealing with a terrible problem on my 1990 LD. She's 27' MB on a Ford E350/460 V8.

While getting set to visit some friends and camp on their property I began backing into the spot where I planned to drop anchor for a while. The grade was steep but not very steep. As I got to just about the very top of the grade I noticed a trail of ATF in front of me and a puddle right where I stopped. I turned her off immediately but needed to get her just a few more feet to level ground. I backed her in and just as I got in place I went to pull forward a bit and realized I had no gears. Clearly I lost all my fluid. I put her in park and killed the engine immediately. I knew it wasn't smart to attempt to keep shifting.  I engaged the parking break and leveled her out as best I could.

I climbed under the chassis to inspect the situation. I'm a curious fella, a quick learner and a logical thinker but my specific understanding of transmission/engines is limited. I inspected for a leak. Other than the fluid that had landed on the exhaust and began smoking I didn't see much of a leak. I removed what I thought was the drain plug which was covered in fluid. Bit it turned out to not be a drain plug. Just a seal to access the torque converter? (I believe)

I am uncertain of how much ATF this engine will hold. Some forums say 8qts but a receipt I have from the previous owner shows a record of 16qts for a tranny  flush back in '12. I added 7.5 quarts and let her run for a bit. Shifting slowly through the gears to work the fluid in. My gears came back! D,R,2,1 all engaged and worked for just the 2 or 3 feet I moved the RV. After a bit I checked the ATF dipstick and it showed empty. Not a lick of fluid but also not a drop under the RV. I had an aluminum pan under there and not one drop leaked out. So where did the fluid go? Do I need to add more?

My biggest dilemma is that I am about 4 miles down road not maintained by the county. So my AAA will not come here and a private tow will charge me almost $300/hr to come down the road! If I can get her to the pavement I can get a proper tow and bring her to a mechanic. I'm asking the forum if you guys think it's wise to attempt the 4 mile drive to the pavement. Will I further damage the transmission?

Should I add more ATF? (7.5 in currently )

Is it possible that I blew my front pump seal? How would I for sure know that if I cannot pin point a leak?

Is it possible this isn't as bad as I think and this happened because of the stress I put on the tranny  going up hill in reverse? Is it possible adding ATF was all I needed to do? 

I'm in a very precarious spot on the property with little to no room to test drive her. If I get her out of the woods and onto that road there's no turning back. I either push her real slow for the 4 miles to the pavement or risk blocking a narrow road and paying $300 an hour for a tow.

Please help me out. Any input or advice would be so appreciated. Thank you
resist the mundane, embrace the unknown
1990 MB

Re: Help! Transmission help needed. Stuck in the boonies!
Reply #1
Im thinking that when you were backing up on the grade it pushed the fluid out the dip stick filler tube if thats the case you can add fluid and get it to level ground
2009 Kodiak 32 foot Island Bed

Re: Help! Transmission help needed. Stuck in the boonies!
Reply #2
You mean up in the front of the engine? But I did not see any fluid up there. I only saw fluid underneath on the casing and exhaust.

resist the mundane, embrace the unknown
1990 MB

Re: Help! Transmission help needed. Stuck in the boonies!
Reply #3
  Hi MuseMe, The transmission (an E40D?) holds about 17 quarts plus the amount in the xmsn cooler and hoses. It's hard to get the fluid out of the torque converter, so it may have some in it. What does the dipstick say? 7.5 quarts just got the fluid high enough to kind of run, so you probably need more. A small leak spraying outover a long time might not leave much behind, but leaks near the cooler or hose connections could also be hard to trace. Try more fluid.  RonB
RonB (Bostick) living in San Diego
Original owner of "Bluebelle" a '99 TKB

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Reply #4
Muse Me,
I'm not a transmission tech, but I have blown a pump seal on a Ford E4OD and it sounds very much like what you are describing.  I blew mine pushing a 10,000 lb commercial fishing boat on a trailer up a hill in reverse.  The transmission didn't like that.

Get the Lazy Daze level and then  follow Ron's advise and put some more transmission fluid in the transmission.  Run the engine and move the gearshift through the gears and then check the transmission fluid while park when it is at operating temperature.  If you blew a pump seal, it will still drain out below the bell housing, but may be a small leak if the line pressure is low.

If it will hold oil at full, it will still leak out, but you will likely be able to get out of where you are at and get the Lazy Daze to a transmission shop.  Be careful of putting a big load in it and increasing the line pressure, because that will cause the pump seal to leak again.

If course, I could be completely wrong...

What does Larry say?
2014 27 MB
Towd: Either the Jeep Wrangler or trailer containing the BMW R1200GS and 2 E-bicycles
Happy wife=Happy life

Re: Help! Transmission help needed. Stuck in the boonies!
Reply #5
The transmission holds around 18 quarts.
If it were me, I would hitch ride into town and buy a minimum of a case of trans fluid.
It will take most of the case to finish filling the transmission.
Add 7 or 8 quarts and try to drive it the nearest level spot and finish topping the fluid off.
While running the engine, look for oil leaking, it could be one of the cooler lines, running from the transmission to the front of the radiator, particularly in the rubber sections, that allow for flexing and engine movement.

If everything looks OK, drive it a 1/4 mile and stop to inspect for leaking and to check the oil level again.
I suspect you will find it leaking. Leaks seldom cure themselves.  If so, call the tow truck, if something you can't fix on site.
The tow and resealing job will be cheaper than a new transmission.
Driving, with the transmission low on fluid, can destroy it.

Larry


Larry
2003 23.5' Front Lounge, since new.  Previously 1983 22' Front Lounge.
Tow vehicles  2020 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon, 2001 Jeep Cherokee
Photo Collection: Lazy Daze

Re: Help! Transmission help needed. Stuck in the boonies!
Reply #6
Well, if it was uphill backing in, it stands to reason it's downhill all the way to get out. 
Actual engine-off coasting is not a great idea for steering and braking reasons, but your drive out should be much less stress on the trans than going in.  Or, since you're out in the sticks, it's a federal law that there must be a pickup truck within one mile of you -- have them tow you out slowly and down the private road, with you on brakes and steering with engine on and trans in neutral.  That would get you to your AAA pickup point, and on the way to diagnostic expertise.

I'd pick up a ScanGauge II at your earliest opportunity, to keep an eye on various trans-related readings.  Good luck!

Chip
2000 Front Lounge

 
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Reply #7
In my experience with these transmissions, it came down to a mileage thing for me. And in my research seems to be fairly accurate.
When my 96 hit about 97,000 miles my front pump went out and I tried getting it to the nearest town and fried the whole thing.
I stopped twice and added fluid but it still didn't help. I got 8 miles from town and hit a small hill and that was all she wrote.

So, if your rig is getting close to 100,000 miles, then I suggest getting the transmission done to avoid the inevitable.
The E4OD is not very good, the old C6 was fine, it came down to adding overdrive that causes the problems.
Jota
96 23.5 FL

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Reply #8
The E4OD is not very good, the old C6 was fine, it came down to adding overdrive that causes the problems.

But that mileage improvement! Totally worth it.
Paul
'92 Mid Bath

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Reply #9
Oh yes!
460 with C6 and 4.1:1ratio. 5-6 miles/ gallon
60 mph results in 3100 rpm. Peak Hp @ 3600rpm.
That makes the 470 and E4OD look very nice.
Rodney
1988 Mid Bath

Re: Help! Transmission help needed. Stuck in the boonies!
Reply #10
Well, I've filled her with about 14 quarts of fluid and have been able to drive back and forth in the small area I am in with no burning, slipping or leaking. I am seriously considering driving her the few miles to the county maintained road where I can get a tow from there.  The road I am traveling is down hill unpaved and very rocky. Should I drive in low gear the whole way? Will that help keep the tranny cool?
resist the mundane, embrace the unknown
1990 MB

Re: Help! Transmission help needed. Stuck in the boonies!
Reply #11
Well, I've filled her with about 14 quarts of fluid and have been able to drive back and forth in the small area I am in with no burning, slipping or leaking. I am seriously considering driving her the few miles to the county maintained road where I can get a tow from there.  The road I am traveling is down hill unpaved and very rocky. Should I drive in low gear the whole way? Will that help keep the tranny cool?
Is the oil to the "full" mark, on the dipstick?  Make sure it is.
If so, stop after a 1/4 -1/2 mile and check it again.
Checking the oil level several times, on the way to the paved road,  wouldn't be a bad idea

Larry
Larry
2003 23.5' Front Lounge, since new.  Previously 1983 22' Front Lounge.
Tow vehicles  2020 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon, 2001 Jeep Cherokee
Photo Collection: Lazy Daze

Re: Help! Transmission help needed. Stuck in the boonies!
Reply #12
Drive normal.  Gear to maintain safe speed. so you can stop with brakes, if the transmissin quits and goes to neutral.

The lower the gear more heat into the transmission.
Third being the least Heat at reasonalbe speeds. 1 to 1 transmission ratio.
Rodney
1988 Mid Bath