Need input on 30 IB June 01, 2017, 07:08:20 pm We had a 30 foot travel trailer for 19 years. We had to flip the axles to gain more clearance in the back. We would drag the rear in certain driveways and at gas stations. I hated that!The 30 IB has a long overhang. Does the overhang cause it to drag in steeper driveways? Is there a drag issue with the 27MB?We are on the 2018 list and trying to narrow down our decision. Thanks for your input.Ron Sarzynski
Re: Need input on 30 IB Reply #1 – June 01, 2017, 07:22:11 pm My 27 does not drag excessively although any vehicle of this type will if the "dip" is extreme enough. Since the 30 has more overhang behind the rear axle, it will drag more readily. Since this is an issue for you then the 27 may be a better choice.
Re: Need input on 30 IB Reply #2 – June 01, 2017, 07:32:51 pm Hi Ron, we have a 27 foot MB and haven't had a problem with tail drag. There are two metal brackets under the rear which protect it. We have had a drag only once. We found that going slowly and on a diagonal seems to solve any problem. JeanThe Silver FoxSent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone---
Re: Need input on 30 IB Reply #3 – June 01, 2017, 07:52:08 pm Quote from: Sarz272000 - June 01, 2017, 07:08:20 pmIs there a drag issue with the 27MB?Hello Ron,The 27' LD will drag on the frame struts on somewhat steeper inclines/declines. If the incline/decline is too steep, going slow won't help much IMO. In addition, if the coach is loaded on the heavier side of the 14,500#'s and especially in the rear, expect a strut drag. On the other hand, in any normal driving conditions on highways and such, we haven't experienced any drags. Hope this helps.
Re: Need input on 30 IB Reply #4 – June 01, 2017, 08:02:42 pm You could always try casters if your rear is a draggin'! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8e-V4EuOWc
Re: Need input on 30 IB Reply #5 – June 01, 2017, 08:59:10 pm "The 30 IB has a long overhang. Does the overhang cause it to drag in steeper driveways?"Yes it does have a long overhang... 11' to be exact! And yes, depending on the driveway, it will drag. But, that is exactly why the factory puts 'skids' under the rear end. If you carefully assess the inclination of a driveway you can circumvent the drag. As mentioned here, taking a diagonal approach or departure will usually do the trick. There is one particular drive in my area that used to give me trouble but I've mastered that. I also towed a 30' HR TT for 10 years, all without issue, including Alaska, but it had plenty of clearance. 3 Likes
Re: Need input on 30 IB Reply #6 – June 01, 2017, 09:30:43 pm Quote from: Lazy Bones - June 01, 2017, 08:59:10 pm"The 30 IB has a long overhang. Does the overhang cause it to drag in steeper driveways?"Yes it does have a long overhang... 11' to be exact! And yes, depending on the driveway, it will drag. But, that is exactly why the factory puts 'skids' under the rear end. If you carefully assess the inclination of a driveway you can circumvent the drag. As mentioned here, taking a diagonal approach or departure will usually do the trick. There is one particular drive in my area that used to give me trouble but I've mastered that. I also towed a 30' HR TT for 10 years, all without issue, including Alaska, but it had plenty of clearance.Ditto. You learn to live with it and avoid nasty inclines. You learn how to arrive and depart at an angle. It's not a big deal.Chris 2 Likes
Re: Need input on 30 IB Reply #7 – June 02, 2017, 06:58:04 pm Thanks for all your input. Great insight. Hearing all this, If we find one we love, nothing else will matter. We buy it!Ron Sarzynski
Re: Need input on 30 IB Reply #8 – June 02, 2017, 07:04:38 pm Quote from: Sarz272000 - June 02, 2017, 06:58:04 pmThanks for all your input. Great insight. Hearing all this, If we find one we love, nothing else will matter. We buy it!Ron SarzynskiDon't know what your ultimate intent is with the LD but the other issue you need to consider besides length is the limited payload of the 30 ft. models.Oh oh, hope I haven't opened up a can of worms . . .
Re: Need input on 30 IB Reply #9 – June 02, 2017, 07:42:12 pm There is plenty payload in a 30'. Just don't carry S#*& you don't need 6 Likes
Re: Need input on 30 IB Reply #10 – June 02, 2017, 08:04:27 pm The following CCC is from the 2009 LD Specification Sheet for a 31' Twin (2,013#) and for an Island Bed (2,036#).C.C.C. – (Cargo Carrying Capacity) (Derived by subtracting U.V.W. from G.V.W.R.) Allowableweight available for designated seat belted positions, fresh water, LP-Gas, food, personal items, supplies etc. NOTE: Installed accessories and towed vehicle tongue weight will reduce C.C.C.In our '09 MB we try to travel light and without too many "extras." My quick calculations show we carry about 1,200# of stuff to include the items in the above definition. Please note that we usually travel with an empty gray tank, a nearly empty black tank and about 20 gallons of fresh water. There are only two (2) of us and without any 4-legged critters. Hope this helps. 1 Likes
Re: Need input on 30 IB Reply #11 – June 03, 2017, 11:56:52 am Quote from: Lazy Bones 2 - June 02, 2017, 07:42:12 pmThere is plenty payload in a 30'. Just don't carry S#*& you don't needI would guess most 31' models are at or over the GVW, based on a lot of personal experience.With so much cargo space, it's hard to resist taking it all with you.A lot of 26.5' models are also over weight too.Larry 1 Likes
Re: Need input on 30 IB Reply #12 – June 03, 2017, 06:51:16 pm Quote from: Larry Wade - June 03, 2017, 11:56:52 amA lot of 26.5' models are also over weight too. Curious as to that statement since the difference in OCCC between the 24 and 27 foot models is only two to three hundred pounds, at least according to 2017 specs. I mean, that's only one fat guy! Is there that much more cargo space in the 27 footers?http://www.lazydaze.com/FEATURES.PDF
Re: Need input on 30 IB Reply #13 – June 03, 2017, 08:02:08 pm Quote from: HiLola - June 03, 2017, 06:51:16 pmIs there that much more cargo space in the 27 footers?When our 23.5' FL is fully loaded for our summer trips, it weights around 13,600-lbs.A 26.6/27' has three extra feet worth of cabinets and exterior bins, on each, side, there a lot more storage than the short LDs, 30-40% more. A 30-31' model has at least twice the exterior storage space.A lot of full timers, with 26.5' models, are right or over the GVW.I have unloaded many LDs, to provide access for mods. You would be surprised how much stuff people carry.Many believe if the space is available, there must be the capacity to carry it.Larry 1 Likes
Re: Need input on 30 IB Reply #14 – June 08, 2017, 03:42:32 pm Ditto what Chris & Steve noted about drag.Ed noted, "The following CCC is from the 2009 LD Specification Sheet for a 31' Twin (2,013#) and for an Island Bed (2,036#)."It's usually just me & the 4-Legged Alarm, with about half a fresh tank (& using public facilities to minimize what goes in the black & gray), so I think we're OK, but I'm wondering--Chris, Steve, Larry, Anybody--why the 23# difference between the Twin & Island models? That's about the weight of another 4-Legged Alarm (good that I've passed up the animal shelter adoption extravaganzas).Lynne
Re: Need input on 30 IB Reply #15 – June 08, 2017, 04:19:52 pm Quote from: Lynne Broyles-Greenwood - June 08, 2017, 03:42:32 pm I'm wondering--Chris, Steve, Larry, Anybody--why the 23# difference between the Twin & Island models? The structure in the IB weight more because there is more of it.Two couches vs. a Queen bed and two bedside tables. The IB mattress is probably heavier than the weight of the couche's cushions. Also, there a big difference in the rear structure of the two 31' LDs.23-lbs isn't very much weight.Larry
Re: Need input on 30 IB Reply #16 – June 08, 2017, 05:08:21 pm Quote from: Larry Wade - June 08, 2017, 04:19:52 pmThe structure in the IB weight more because there is more of it.Two couches vs. a Queen bed and two bedside tables. The IB mattress is probably heavier than the weight of the couche's cushions. Also, there a big difference in the rear structure of the two 31' LDs.23-lbs isn't very much weight.LarryJust looking at the 31' IB and TB floor plans, I wonder if there is a chair option on the IB? The slide out dinette shown has never been that popular (we have it in our '02 31'), but next time around (well, I can dream, can't I?) I want the TB with chairs.Chris
Re: Need input on 30 IB Reply #17 – June 08, 2017, 05:11:01 pm Quote from: Larry Wade - June 08, 2017, 04:19:52 pmThe structure in the IB weight more because there is more of it.Two couches vs. a Queen bed and two bedside tables. The IB mattress is probably heavier than the weight of the couche's cushions. Also, there a big difference in the rear structure of the two 31' LDs.23-lbs isn't very much weight.LarryThanks, Larry--I apparently misunderstood...it looked like the IB could carry 23# more than the TB, which isn't by any means significant (& I don't need another 4-Legged Alarm, anyway). Yes, I've just got one center bedside table, but I think my wardrobes & the drawers underneath (at the foot of each TB) look bigger/heavier than those on either side of an IB. It makes sense about the rear structure being different--my fresh tank is under the passenger TB & there's storage under the driver's side bed (with the black & gray tanks under there). Thx, again-- Lynne
Re: Need input on 30 IB Reply #18 – June 08, 2017, 05:14:13 pm Thats funny we have been looking for the ib with the dinette instead of the chairs all the ones ive seen have had the chairs.
Re: Need input on 30 IB Reply #19 – June 08, 2017, 05:24:17 pm Quote from: Lynne Broyles-Greenwood - June 08, 2017, 05:11:01 pmThanks, Larry--I apparently misunderstood...it looked like the IB could carry 23# more than the TB, which isn't by any means significant (& I don't need another 4-Legged Alarm, anyway). I got it backwards, the IB apparently weight a little less. The rear construction of the 31' models do vary considerably. A difference of 23-lbs is not significant.Larry
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