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Re: Need opinion on a LD (What do you think?)
Reply #25
Once an LD is more than a few years old, a one year discrepancy, between the chassis and coach build dates, become irrelevant, condition becomes the prime determiner of value.
How to find an inspector?  I would start by checking with RV shops in the area where the RV is located.

Even the best inspector or mechanic will not find all the warts, but the will find things you would never see or even know to look for.

Larry
Thanks for explaining that!  I will check with RV shops to find an inspection service and then I'll check them out online.

Mimi
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Re: Need opinion on a LD (What do you think?)
Reply #26
That's the first I've heard of audible water leak detectors!  What a great idea!  Are they easy to install?  What brand are you using?  I love this idea! Thank you Jim and Larry!

Mimi

We have had ours for years and I don't see a name. Here is a link to a variety of battery operated models.

Amazon.com: battery operated water leak alarm

Jim
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Re: Need opinion on a LD (What do you think?)
Reply #27
Mimi, when I was looking for an installer for an AC unit, I did my research here, learned a few key points, then asked candidates of they had installed on an LD before. I let them talk while I prompted them with admiring comments about how they overcame the hurdles they encountered. It was easy to see if they really had worked on a Lazy Daze, or worked on an RV sold by LazyDays. It is time to say bye when they comment about the nice fiberglass construction, or that they are made in Florida.

As to frequency, I look mine over carefully every time I load it, and monthly when on the road. I am on the roof often to load and unload the canoe, and I go over each seam with fingers and eyes, then if I have a doubt, use a flat, thin probe. It is really not that time consuming.

I travel with the tools to make simple sealant fixes, and usualy find something to touch up. Especially when it gets hot outside.
Paul
'92 Mid Bath

Re: Need opinion on a LD (What do you think?)
Reply #28
"Rot can also exist in the roof, where a vent, antenna  or the roof A/C is leaking."

That happened to me recently. During a recent rainstorm, I awoke to find the left (aft) foot area of my overcab bed soaked.
Good grief Andy!  It's terrible, but what great detective work!  I'm amazed that the cables didn't fry.  I guess if a leak can escape the ultimate LD guru, it can certainly escape me and an inspector.  Your quick work in making repairs is amazing.  A thermal imager and a multimaster...wow.  So glad the wood wasn't compromised so much that it has to be replaced.  Do you think extensive damage was mitigated because you spent so much time in drier weather; that it had time to dry in between exposure to rain?  How would you have detected the damage in dry weather?  I'm just thinking about the LD I buy and how an inspection would find something similar.

Mimi
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Re: Need opinion on a LD (What do you think?)
Reply #29
We have had ours for years and I don't see a name. Here is a link to a variety of battery operated models.

Amazon.com: battery operated water leak alarm

Jim
Thanks Jim and Gayle! 
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Re: Need opinion on a LD (What do you think?)
Reply #30
Mimi, when I was looking for an installer for an AC unit, I did my research here, learned a few key points, then asked candidates of they had installed on an LD before. I let them talk while I prompted them with admiring comments about how they overcame the hurdles they encountered. It was easy to see if they really had worked on a Lazy Daze, or worked on an RV sold by LazyDays. It is time to say bye when they comment about the nice fiberglass construction, or that they are made in Florida.
Actually, I have heard salesmen describe the wonderful quality of LD fiberglass construction.  Made me laugh.  I guess it's easier to learn about people through conversation than direct questions.  I'll keep that in mind.  Thanks...
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Re: Need opinion on a LD (What do you think?)
Reply #31
What does he charge for an inspection? Does it include the chassis or just the coach.

It was $250.00 last Dec. paid via paypal.  It included a test drive and eval of steering, suspension, shifting, acceleration.  Chassis wise it was basically visual inspection for fluid leaks, exhaust leaks, frame condition, etc.

If you don't mind saying, how much do inspections run?  Where did you find the reviews for this inspection company?

Only actually paid for the one.  Tried to get a couple of others inspected in AZ and WA but they were outside the service areas of Phoenix and Seattle respectively.  Think they had about a 50mi radius service area. Inspection prices seemed to range in the $200 to $350 neighborhood in winter 2015.  Searching "rv pre-purchase inspection" for a given city/state can get you started.

Found reviews by googling the business name for reviews which turned up some on yelp for the one I used.

Rich
2006 MB

Re: Need opinion on a LD (What do you think?)
Reply #32
It was $250.00 last Dec. paid via paypal.  It included a test drive and eval of steering, suspension, shifting, acceleration.  Chassis wise it was basically visual inspection for fluid leaks, exhaust leaks, frame condition, etc.

Only actually paid for the one.  Tried to get a couple of others inspected in AZ and WA but they were outside the service areas of Phoenix and Seattle respectively.  Think they had about a 50mi radius service area. Inspection prices seemed to range in the $200 to $350 neighborhood in winter 2015.  Searching "rv pre-purchase inspection" for a given city/state can get you started.

Found reviews by googling the business name for reviews which turned up some on yelp for the one I used.

Rich
Thanks Rich.  That's not too bad for an inspection, but I certainly couldn't do several of them.  I guess I'll need to inspect the rig first to make sure it's worth the expense.  Better get Andy's Guide!  I'll start investigating some inspection services so I'm ready. 

Mimi
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Re: Need opinion on a LD (What do you think?)
Reply #33
"How would you have detected the damage in dry weather?"

By poking the ceiling with an awl or icepick, as others have recommended. That is, if it had occurred to me to do that to the ceiling at the foot of the overcab bed, where I rarely have occasion to crawl. In this case it didn't.

My mistakes were 1) not properly resealing the antenna mount after the lightning strike, and 2) not inspecting all roof penetrations regularly for damage that could cause leaks.
Andy Baird
2021 Ford Ranger towing 2019 Airstream 19CB
Previously: 1985 LD Twin/King "Gertie"; 2003 LD Midbath "Skylark"

Re: Need opinion on a LD (What do you think?)
Reply #34
My mistakes were 1) not properly resealing the antenna mount after the lightning strike, and 2) not inspecting all roof penetrations regularly for damage that could cause leaks.
Luckily, it leaked in a place where you found it before any serious damage happened. Not having any experience with lightening hitting an  RV, it's hard to know all the things to look for.
Thinking about it, the lightening may have used the steel roll bar as the main conduct for the surge of power, on its way to the ground,.  This may have prevented even more damage from occurring.

Looks like the ceiling paneling was cleanly cut,  I hope it is still in good enough shape to be reused, can't find the matching white, original paneling anymore.
Unless you want to replace the roof patch with heavier sheet aluminum, your existing repair should last a long time.
Caulk the perimeter of the patch and call it good.

Larry
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Re: Need opinion on a LD (What do you think?)
Reply #35
"How would you have detected the damage in dry weather?"

By poking the ceiling with an awl or icepick, as others have recommended. That is, if it had occurred to me to do that to the ceiling at the foot of the overcab bed, where I rarely have occasion to crawl. In this case it didn't.

My mistakes were 1) not properly resealing the antenna mount after the lightning strike, and 2) not inspecting all roof penetrations regularly for damage that could cause leaks.
So for me Andy, not knowing much about the rig I buy, picking everywhere will likely turn up issues if there are any.  You were lucky because you caught it so fast and you took action immediately.  I do worry a bit about folks not being as diligent in caring for their rigs. Before buying an older rig, would it be a good idea to hit with a hose?

Thanks...

Mimi
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Re: Need opinion on a LD (What do you think?)
Reply #36
Concerning Andy's lightning strike, I am curious why a vehicle on tires would be struck.  I remember as a youngster being told by adults that vehicles on rubber tires were "Safe", although Andy was connected to shore power.  I wonder if that would have created the grounding situation?  So now do we want to disconnect during electrical storms.  My guess is there are good writ-ups some where on this subject.  35 years when I was living in Florida at my sister's trailer, the trailer was hit by lightning which burned a hole through the roof.  The hard rain put out any fires that might have been started.  No electrical issues occurred because of the location of the strike fortunately.  The trailer was on wheels but was grounded in several places.   Many storms passed by for years after without mishap again!

    ~Liam
  98 ~ MB

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Re: Need opinion on a LD (What do you think?)
Reply #37
Opuntia, using Andy's as an example:  If you were to look at his LD prior to the discovery of the leak, you would be suspicious of the broken down caulking on the antenna mount on the roof.  It's very important to survey the roof  and look at every inch of every seam and caulked flange.  If it looks like water could get in, then you should assume it did. 

If you find something like Andy's problem, then you go inside and look for damage.   And, you might not find any.  But any time you see failed sealing, you should suspect that water is getting in.  It's not a sure thing though...

It's important to understand the methods of sealing that are used.  On a typical through-the-roof object, there will be putty tape or butyl tape sandwiched between the roof and the object.  The object will be screwed down through the roof, and Dicor liquid rubber self-leveling lap sealant will be drizzled liberally over the screws and the edge of the object and onto the roof.

For water to get in, the Dicor has to fail, and then the  tape has to fail.  Except for the screws, which are mostly sealed by the Dicor alone.  So, often you will see minor hairline cracks in Dicor but water is not getting in.  Still, you should try to check.  If you see failed Dicor at any spot where water can collect, assume the worst.  Any water sitting against putty tape will eventually get through.

When you are inside, just look hard at, well, every inch of ceiling, wall, and floor.  Especially at junctions and seams.  Open all cabinets and under beds etc, and look down at the corners.  As mentioned, push lightly with a small screwdriver or ice pick.  If the wood is sound, you won't make a dent.   If it is soft, there is a problem.  I've put holes in my own RV that way, but never in one I was looking at.  "Oopsie!"    ::) 

Andy,

Butyl tape is not really an adhesive in my book.  It's a good sealant for things that are mechanically squished together.  Are you confident that patch is going to stay put?

Re: Need opinion on a LD (What do you think?)
Reply #38
Concerning Andy's lightning strike, I am curious why a vehicle on tires would be struck.  I remember as a youngster being told by adults that vehicles on rubber tires were "Safe", although Andy was connected to shore power. 

Lightening has the power to jump thousands of feet, even the tires were non-conductive rubber, they wouldn't pose much of an obstacle.
Anyway, most RV tires have steel cords and are made with conductive carbon. Tires are made to ground build ups of static electricity. Years ago you might remember seeing fuel trucks with ground straps, dragging on the pavement to keep them grounded.
Static electric and gasoline are not a good combination.

Disconnecting from power, during lightening storm is a good idea but don't expect that it will protect you from a strike. Andy's surge protector did burn its surge module. Progressive Industries surge protectors are modular and the surge module is easily replaceable, a very nice feature.
If struck by lightening, the LD's aluminum shell will exhibit the faraday cage effect, usually protecting the occupants from harm. The electricity will pass around the exterior metal to ground.
Faraday cage - Wikipedia

Not really interested in testing this myself.
Larry
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Re: Need opinion on a LD (What do you think?)
Reply #39
If struck by lightening, the LD's aluminum shell will exhibit the faraday cage effect, usually protecting the occupants from harm.

Key word "usually!"   :o
Greg & Victoria
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Re: Need opinion on a LD (What do you think?)
Reply #40
Key word "usually!"  :o
We all have have to die sometime.

You could buy a set of these and build an insulated chair, for use during storms.
General > Set of Four Chair Leg Insulators
Here's another version.
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSY3ONbESuT4X9NG9Wc-w44URZAniW6jfWHSdFfIo4LcVxN5c0B6Q

While I doubt their usefulness, I have seen insulated chairs in fire watch towers.

Larry
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Re: Need opinion on a LD (What do you think?)
Reply #41
years ago, like the mid 1970's - when my knees still worked, I attended a lecture slideshow given by this guy that through hiked the Pacific Crest Trail.  Much of this trail is above the tree line.  A worry was lightening storms.  Basically one had to have clothing with no ferrous items on or near you.  The advice was to dump ones gear and crawl into a poncho with some wool (poly fleece was not around for the common folk) and sit out the storm in the lowest you could find that was not about to turn into a river.
I'll take the LD Faraday effect to the backpacking solution.
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Re: Need opinion on a LD (What do you think?)
Reply #43
"I am curious why a vehicle on tires would be struck. I remember as a youngster being told by adults that vehicles on rubber tires were 'Safe'..."

They are relatively safe for the occupants--not because of the tires, but because of the metal body shell's Faraday cage effect. As for not being struck because of rubber tires, that's a myth. This old photo shows what happens.
Andy Baird
2021 Ford Ranger towing 2019 Airstream 19CB
Previously: 1985 LD Twin/King "Gertie"; 2003 LD Midbath "Skylark"

Re: Need opinion on a LD (What do you think?)
Reply #44
Here's something I'll leave to the professionals.

https://youtu.be/ve6XGKZxYxA

I never cared to get up close and personal with electricity.

Kent
2015 27' RB "MissB.Haven"

Re: Need opinion on a LD (What do you think?)
Reply #45
If it looks like water could get in, then you should assume it did. 

It's important to understand the methods of sealing that are used.

When you are inside, just look hard at, well, every inch of ceiling, wall, and floor.  Especially at junctions and seams.  Open all cabinets and under beds etc, and look down at the corners.  As mentioned, push lightly with a small screwdriver or ice pick.  If the wood is sound, you won't make a dent.   If it is soft, there is a problem.  I've put holes in my own RV that way, but never in one I was looking at.  "Oopsie!"    ::) 
Thank you. It is important for me to understand how various parts of the RV are sealed, put together, etc. so I appreciate the details. You also made me realize that, the more I know about my rig, the better off I'll be.   I will look at every inch of a rig before I consider purchasing.  I'm also going to look into a moisture detector.  I think the expense may be worth it since I'll be getting a lot of use out of it.

Thanks again for all the great information!

Mimi
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Re: Need opinion on a LD (What do you think?)
Reply #46
Andy, I knew someone in this group had a thermal camera.  So finding your leak, was that while water was pouring in (so water would be a different temperature) and it found the water.  Could it show you wood rot damage that was dry (older stuff)?
Jane & Scott
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Re: Need opinion on a LD (What do you think?)
Reply #47
"I knew someone in this group had a thermal camera. So finding your leak, was that while water was pouring in (so water would be a different temperature) and it found the water. Could it show you wood rot damage that was dry (older stuff)?"

Unfortunately, no. As mentioned in another thread, a thermal camera can only detect damp areas.
Andy Baird
2021 Ford Ranger towing 2019 Airstream 19CB
Previously: 1985 LD Twin/King "Gertie"; 2003 LD Midbath "Skylark"

Re: Need opinion on a LD (What do you think?)
Reply #48
Andy, so I have a question about how you did/are going to patch that hole in your overcab area ceiling?

Does Lazy Daze provide the wall/ceiling material to make a patch?  Or only go back a certain number of years?

What do people do when they have a patch to interior of a wall/ceiling?
Invite an artistic friend over to create a unique drawing/painting?   :D Or find something to hang over that area?  :o

Just wondering if anyone had found some great solutions so it didn't look like a patch job.

A side note, I have learned living in AZ, that the blaring sun in the desert areas here just burns up batteries and rubber on vehicles, so much harder than other areas of the country, even Denver CO which is less humid than Phoenix.  I say out here we have a sun blare factor, kind of like the wind chill factor in the NE that makes the temperature feel much worse.  The times when direct exposure can be like having your hand over a burner and it is significantly cooler in the shade. 
Not so bothersome in the wintertime when the sun warming up your skin can feel nice, but still hard on us and our vehicles.  So yup, if you are hanging out in the deserts of the SW, check all your rubber & gaskets & seals regularly (I would guess 2x a year should be fine).   But I would never have guessed that a lightening strike would burn elements inside the roof structure ... that might have affected things at some point even if you were checking and keeping the surface area well sealed. 
Jane & Scott
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Re: Need opinion on a LD (What do you think?)
Reply #49
Andy, so I have a question about how you did/are going to patch that hole in your overcab area ceiling?

Does Lazy Daze provide the wall/ceiling material to make a patch?  Or only go back a certain number of years?

What do people do when they have a patch to interior of a wall/ceiling?
Invite an artistic friend over to create a unique drawing/painting?  :D Or find something to hang over that area?  :o

Just wondering if anyone had found some great solutions so it didn't look like a patch job.

A side note, I have learned living in AZ, that the blaring sun in the desert areas here just burns up batteries and rubber on vehicles, so much harder than other areas of the country, even Denver CO which is less humid than Phoenix.  I say out here we have a sun blare factor, kind of like the wind chill factor in the NE that makes the temperature feel much worse.  The times when direct exposure can be like having your hand over a burner and it is significantly cooler in the shade. 
Not so bothersome in the wintertime when the sun warming up your skin can feel nice, but still hard on us and our vehicles.  So yup, if you are hanging out in the deserts of the SW, check all your rubber & gaskets & seals regularly (I would guess 2x a year should be fine).  But I would never have guessed that a lightening strike would burn elements inside the roof structure ... that might have affected things at some point even if you were checking and keeping the surface area well sealed.
Jane and Scott, if you haven't read about Andy's lightening strike, here's a link. Nature's fireworks! Zapped!
Chris
Formerly: 2002 30' IB