Follow-ups Bolt tightening - revisiting an old topic Lazy-Daze Dreamers October 20, 2014, 08:35:49 am Yahoo Message Number: 149079We're new LD owners and were in the LONG gas line yesterday at Costco,(gas was only $3.05!!!), and while I was filling the tank, this lady came up and complimented me on our LD, she and her husband really like the lines, and the HUGE rear windows,(97 23.5 TK). Couldn't believe it was that old, and loved the interior! Her husband told her to give me their business card and to call them if we decide to sell her.Proof positive we've made the right decission!Don and Deb
Re: Lazy-Daze Dreamers Reply #1 – October 20, 2014, 01:31:48 pm Yahoo Message Number: 149087"this lady came up and complimented me on our LD, she and her husband really like the lines, and the HUGE rear windows,(97 23.5 TK). Couldn't believe it was that old, and loved the interior! Her husband told her to give me their business card and to call them if we decide to sell her."Don and DebGet use to it. Almost every time I wash and wax the rig, I will get compliments and/or inquiries about our 2003 LD, while fueling. Our blue paint has held up very well, it was by far the best choice for long-term durability. Not bad for antique rigs!Larry
torque values for tightening bolts under back end of Lazy Daze Reply #2 – October 20, 2014, 01:37:22 pm Yahoo Message Number: 149088I have dutifully saved many, many posts from Larry Wade's vast knowledge-based brain that he has shared, but am coming up empty trying to find the specs for DH to tighten those bolts while we have our 2005 rear bath here at home for another day. All I can remember is something about "half a turn this way; a quarter turn that way" . . . not terribly conducive to success. Groveling in the gravel at the storage area in inadequate lighting conditions has proven troublesome, so we'd like to take care of this now. They were last tightened in 2009 by Larry, and it is no doubt time for a re-check!Many thanks.Virtual hugs,Judie
Re: Lazy-Daze Dreamers Reply #3 – October 20, 2014, 02:04:54 pm Yahoo Message Number: 149092Thanks Larry, we recently purchased her and we're getting the hang of driving the RV and how everything works. Had some minor issues with running the refrigerator on gas, but that was an easy fix thanks to some Youtube video's. Our next adventure is to take a short trip and spend the night. Really looking forward to the next step.Don and Deb
Re: torque values for tightening bolts under back end of Lazy Daze Reply #4 – October 20, 2014, 03:36:19 pm Yahoo Message Number: 149093Judie, there's a "Search Conversations" box at the top of the home page of the message board website; if you use the search phrase, "Frame bolt tightening", you'll get several posts on frame bolt tightening, tightening hitch bolts, and tightening black and grey tank bolts. Larry's previous posts are among these!Joan
Re: torque values for tightening bolts under back end of Lazy Daze Reply #5 – October 20, 2014, 04:50:23 pm Yahoo Message Number: 149095"am coming up empty trying to find the specs for DH to tighten those bolts while we have our 2005 rear bath here at home for another day. All I can remember is something about "half a turn this way; a quarter turn that way" . . . not terribly conducive to success"JudieThis maintenance item was listed in our 1983 LD Owner's Manual but does not show in later editions of the Owner's Manual. Tightening should be done every couple years or so, depending on the mileage and the amount of rough roads driven. Many time owners will tell me that their rig is much quieter after tightening the coach bolts, with the 'booming' eliminated. I had the same experience with our 2003 FL after the first, and most important, retightening. The coach is secured to the chassis frame by a many 3'8" carriage bolts, dropped in from the top, through the wood floor. The top of carriage bolt sits on 3/4" plywood which compresses under use. To tighten the bolts, find the 3/8" bolts and nuts under the rig. I tighten the nuts until they are very snug but not super tight, maybe 20-ft/lbs or so. I use a 9/16" socket, 3/8" racket and extensions, along with a 9/16" combination wrench to tighten the nuts. Be aware that some of the bolts are hidden and are hard to find, others cannot be accessed, depending on the model. Get as many as you can. The rig does not need to be raised but it sure would make the job easier is lifted a few inches. Since the head of the carriage bolt is digging into the wood, it can be over-tighten, pulling the head through the wood. The bolt head can also break loose and spin, if over tightened, making re-tightening more difficult in the future. If a spinning bolt is encountered, grab onto the end of the bolt with vise-grips, to secure it, and use the 9/16" wrench open-end to tighten the nut. Usually after the second or third tightening, the wood has compressed to its maximum and the nuts, for the most part, remain tight.Easy does it, better to do it again in a few years time.Larry
Re: torque values for tightening bolts under back end of Lazy Daze Reply #6 – October 20, 2014, 05:02:21 pm Yahoo Message Number: 149097Forgot to add while under the rig, tightening the coach frame bolts, also check the holding tank bolts, the generator bolts, the propane tank bolts and finally the entry door step bolts. I always find the entry step bolts loose without fail. While under the rig, do look for signs of leakage from the running gear. It's also a good time to lube the entry step and check the parking brake reservoir oil level.Recently I have posted on the tightening and upgrading of the bumper and hitch hardware, a important consideration for those towing. Things do loosen and fall off if you don't take care of them.Larry
Re: torque values for tightening bolts under back end of Lazy Daze Reply #7 – October 20, 2014, 05:15:01 pm Yahoo Message Number: 149100Tightening this bolts is something I should do, but I have been procrastinating because 1) I get vertigo when lying on my back and looking upward above my head rather than toward my feet, and 2) Never having done it, I am not sure where to find the bolts, and what they look like.I now know to use 9/16" equipment (thanks, Larry) but could use some clues about where they are. My guess (in complete ignorance) would be to look on the inside flange of the frame members that run longitudinally along the coach and the best way to do the work would be to raise the rig, lie down, start at one corner, work along one side then back on the other side.Any input, suggestions, etc., would be helpful.ThanksKen F in NM
Re: torque values for tightening bolts under back end of Lazy Daze Reply #8 – October 20, 2014, 05:48:56 pm Yahoo Message Number: 149101"could use some clues about where they are."KenHard to describe. Each model LD has a completely different under frame layout. The cutaway chassis comes with a stack of steel supports strapped to the rear of the frame, to be used by the builder. Laying under the LD, you will see these supports running laterally and/or longitudinally, depending on the floor plan, along the bottom of the coach. The best clue is to look for the 9/16" nuts and bolts protruding from the supports. Since the supports are one of the first things done when building an LD, many of the nuts become hidden, making access difficult and sometimes impossible to some of the nuts. You can get to some of the hidden ones with an open wrench, if you can figure where to look. There will not be as many bolts as one would assume. I would run the rear of the LD up on blocks to increase the amount of overhead clearance. As slim as I am, I still have a hard time getting under and LD that isn't lifted some.I'm recuperating from a back strain but when I'm back to it, I will try to photo a few of the frame bolts to give you a hint of what to look for.Larry
Re: torque values for tightening bolts under back end of Lazy Daze Reply #9 – October 20, 2014, 06:49:20 pm Yahoo Message Number: 149102Thanks, Joan. I thought that whole search business on Yahoo! was kaput, so I didn't look. My bad. I'll use your search string to get the whole story.Virtual hugs,Judie
Replace Millenicom Reply #10 – October 22, 2014, 09:22:16 pm Yahoo Message Number: 149130Anybody found a good solution?
Re: Lazy-Daze Dreamers Reply #11 – October 22, 2014, 10:32:44 pm Yahoo Message Number: 149132Same thing happened to me today as we parked at Zion RV Resort in Virgin, UT. The class A which followed me from I-15 turnoff to the RV park wound up next to me at check-in. I just Finish First-ed our '02 30' last week and he shines. The Class A guy asked me if I'd restored the LD and repainted it. He knew it was older because of the grille. This is a nice "resort". We will stay a week and explore Zion NP and 4WD roads around it. Oct. is 20% off normal price. We haven't stayed a week in an RV park in a long, long time. BTW, the red (crimson) on my LD has faded badly but still shines because I wax it every year and it is kept in covered storage. The maroon is starting to oxidize in a few spots which get sun - front wheel fender flares and the rear. I would not get red again. Chris
Re: Lazy-Daze Dreamers Reply #12 – October 23, 2014, 10:41:21 am Yahoo Message Number: 149133Almost every time I wash and wax the rig, I will get compliments and/or inquiries about our 2003 LD, while fueling. Our blue paint has held up very well, it was by far the best choice for long-term durability. Not bad for antique rigs! --- My 2003 is green; this color is more susceptible to "sun fade" than blue or tan, particularly the lighter green paint on the fiberglass sections. My 11-year-old TK still looks pretty respectable, though, and I also get buyer inquiries whenever it's out. One guy even came to the door; he'd seen the rig behind the fence, recognized the brand, and made an offer. The rig is still behind the fence. ;-)Joan
Re: Lazy-Daze Dreamers Reply #13 – October 23, 2014, 03:26:35 pm Yahoo Message Number: 149136I have had many inquiries about my LD. One guy really liked it because he said it was "Art Deco" styling. I have had others with SOB rigs ask me about mine and want to see the inside, even when rig was very dirty from rain or desert travel. One thing almost all are surprised at is how good the paint has held up on my 13 year old rig. They can't believe it's that old. I have the Blue and White. Most want to know the price and I tell them sometimes you get what you pay for. They all like the Stainless Steel sink.Bob 01 23.5 TK with toys....
Re: Replace Millenicom Reply #14 – October 23, 2014, 03:41:18 pm Yahoo Message Number: 149137I am going to wait and see what plan Verizon will offer us Millenicom users before making any changes. The best deal would be if they grandfathered the old plan in but somehow I don't thing that's going to happen. Keep my fingers crossed. I have heard nothing from Verizon yet.Bob 01 23.5 TK with toys...
Re: Lazy-Daze Dreamers Reply #15 – October 23, 2014, 04:04:39 pm Yahoo Message Number: 149138I would like to weigh in on this one. We have a 1995 LD 30 IB. We often stay in a park that is alongside Mission Bay in San Diego. At check-in we always need to declare the age of our RV. They do not allow RV's over 10 years old. All I have to say is "it's a Lazy Daze" and they say your OK. We always make a joke about not being able to tell the year and we are allowed in.Ed[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: Replace Millenicom Reply #16 – October 23, 2014, 08:23:33 pm Yahoo Message Number: 149139For what it's worth, Verizon has huge profit margins on these services, so they could afford to keep the price the same. Look at it this way: Millenicom was reselling Verizon internet service for roughly half what Verizon charged, and still making a profit, and Verizon was still making money on the deal. With Millenicom out of the loop, Verizon could charge exactly the same ninety bucks a month and make even more money than they were making before.Now, there's no way to know whether they will in fact do this. I'm just speculating here. My point is simply that this changeover doesn't necessarily have to mean a big price increase for us former Millenicom users. Like Bob, I'm waiting to see what Verizon will do.Andy BairdTravels with Andy
Re: Replace Millenicom Reply #17 – October 23, 2014, 08:28:16 pm Yahoo Message Number: 149140I thought Millenicom, selling without a contract, had no limit to the use time for the data as opposed to $90/mos. Did I misread it? Was just about to query them when I saw this posting. I thought they said you can use or discontinue using the data as desired and buy more when you run out.Sandy KalleAnka
Re: Lazy-Daze Dreamers Reply #18 – October 23, 2014, 10:31:41 pm Yahoo Message Number: 149144As I've said before, the 10 year rule in many cases is bogus. If asked, I would blatantly lie as long as my RV were well cared for. I have seen less than 10 year old RVs that are nothing more than POSs.Chris
Re: Replace Millenicom Reply #19 – October 24, 2014, 11:12:54 am Yahoo Message Number: 149146"I thought Millenicom, selling without a contract, had no limit to the use time for the data as opposed to $90/mos. Did I misread it? Was just about to query them when I saw this posting. I thought they said you can use or discontinue using the data as desired and buy more when you run out."Sandy, Millenicom used to offer 20 GB per month for $89.99 with no contract, acting as a Verizon reseller. (They also resold Sprint service to a small number of customers.) But Verizon has taken over Millenicom's customers who were using that 20 GB/month plan. Millenicom no longer has any business relationship with Verizon, and has laid off most of its employees.Service continues, at least for now--that was part of the takeover agreement. Verizon now has Millenicom's customer list, and is supposed to get in touch with us in the near future and presumably offer some kind of data plan. It's not known what that plan will be, or whether it will be more expensive than what we have been paying. But you can forget about Millenicom as a wireless internet provider. They have been forced out of that business by Verizon.Andy BairdTravels with Andy
Re: Replace Millenicom Reply #20 – October 25, 2014, 08:49:14 pm Yahoo Message Number: 149169Huh. Thanks Andy. Just bought my millenicom but no data yet. I went to their Web site. It must have been out of Date Sandy
Re: Replace Millenicom Reply #21 – October 26, 2014, 11:28:52 am Yahoo Message Number: 149174Hi Sandy, I'm trying to understand your situation. Did you just sign up with Millenicom just before the move by Verizon? Did you receive your wireless hotspot device, but don't get any service? Did the service charge for the month of October go through from Millenicom? If you want to use the Verizon network with your wireless hotspot, you will have to deal directly with Verizon and get a new Verizon SIM card for the hotspot. Because of your timing you may or may not be hearing from Verzon as being an existing Millenicom customer.Feel free to ask more question to let us help you figure this out.Art
Re: Replace Millenicom Reply #22 – October 26, 2014, 12:54:08 pm Yahoo Message Number: 149178I am curious about this as well. We are dormant Millenicom members. We have their modem, but our service has been suspended for almost two years while we were not traveling. I'm not sanguine, but like to cling to a glimmer of hope anyway!After due consideration, we've decided that if we are not offered something better because of our questionable Millenicom status, we will just get a Verizon Jetpack, and go on as before. It will just cost a lot more.All my schemes that involved a new iPad are not viable. One must be on a "plan" in order to use the iPad as a hotspot. True, you can turn the iPad on and off at will each month, but it will not act as a hotspot without a continuous (and expensive) "plan". :-( At least that is what a Verizon rep told me in an online chat a couple of nights ago.Virtual hugs,Judie http://dorrieanne.wordpress.com
Re: Replace Millenicom Reply #23 – October 26, 2014, 01:54:04 pm Yahoo Message Number: 149181Anyone interested in the Millenicom/Verizon/ stuff might want to visit this site for current and frequently updated information:http://www.rvmobileinternet.com/I'm still pretty much in the "two tins cans and a string" stage; just passing along the suggestion.Joan
Re: Replace Millenicom Reply #24 – October 26, 2014, 09:34:07 pm Yahoo Message Number: 149189We actually are part of a group plan with Verizon. Going full time I wanted a millenicom for the Internet. Non of my family had any understanding of what it was or how it worked. I was under the understanding that we would be having extra data with this when we bought it. Alas not. With 7 people buying into the plan with new phones etc 2 days before we took off, and no one other than myself being aware of what the millenicom does, I found myself with the device but no data. Well that was annoying. In our travels we have had very few locations with WiFi that was usable. That means I have to find a data plan that won't kill me. Come November we will be visiting family and have good WiFi to do research with. Then it will get straightened out! Sandy
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