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Title: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Kenny Z on September 12, 2021, 11:12:25 pm
Hi everyone,

I started a topic a couple days ago about removing the folding table in my 1987 22' and started posting some videos regarding my wood rot repair and weekend warrior style restoration.  I figured a new topic would be more appropriate and more easily searchable for those interested in this.  I'll post multiple videos in here and when I'm done (if I'm done, lol) I will merge all the video into one.  Please note: I'm a complete rookie at this, however, I know many LD fans might love to get an inside look at the hidden parts of these rigs.  So I really hope some of you will find parts of this interesting and hopefully helpful in one of your projects.

Here are the first 3 videos.  Again, stay tuned to this tread as I will post more updates here.

1.    Lazy Daze Video 1 (https://youtu.be/GKZXlMDpCrc)

2.     Lazy Daze Video 2 (https://youtu.be/9vTo9oT-TjU)

3.     Lazy Daze Video 3 (https://youtu.be/Zf9T0IGkEXg)
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: majortom on September 13, 2021, 10:03:21 am
love that you're sharing the videos, thank you!! good luck with all of this. it seemed a lot worse at first but bones don't look too shabby.

Make sure to take out the drawers and look in there to check for any water damage too. other usual spots are under the fridge around the water heater, and the water pump.
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Kenny Z on September 15, 2021, 04:29:22 pm
love that you're sharing the videos, thank you!! good luck with all of this. it seemed a lot worse at first but bones don't look too shabby.

Make sure to take out the drawers and look in there to check for any water damage too. other usual spots are under the fridge around the water heater, and the water pump.


Absolutely.  I've been pressing on everywhere accessible for sure.  More videos to come!
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Kenny Z on September 15, 2021, 04:45:19 pm
Here is another progress video.  This was actually taken a while ago.  We have made even further progress but I will wait until we get even further along before posting another one.

Lazy Daze Video 4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6fV9jR-NXo)

One thing to note as people see my videos.  This won't be a project where I'm going to make this as good as new.  The motorhome is a 1987.  To make it "good as new" would be an even more atrocious investment than buying a motorhome itself.  And that kind of money would be better spent on buying a much newer RV.  Or if I was retired and had the time to do it ALL myself. But I'm not, and am working alongside my handyman. 

There will be areas where the damaged materials will be treated instead of replaced. And some area that I won't address at all.  I have to really stay focused on my ultimate intentions as it's all too easy to start tearing in farther than I can realistically afford. BUT, with that said, if I am aware of something that compromises the integrity of the motorhome too much, it will be addressed.  My goal is to make sure that when I'm finished, it will be sealed, sound and a safe motorhome.  And probably, while far from perfect, more solid than most motorhomes of this vintage.  Because one thing nearly all of us can agree on, a 35 year old RV is going to have some sort of water damage or decay whether the owner is aware of it or not.

More updates soon!

Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Ed & Margee on September 15, 2021, 08:36:24 pm
Kenny, your enthusiasm and high energy for your project appears to remain high!  And that's impressive to me.  Once again, thank you for your video updates and I look forward to more.
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Andy Baird on September 15, 2021, 09:53:23 pm
"This won't be a project where I'm going to make this as good as new."

That's sensible. I like your level-headed approach.
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Frank S on September 16, 2021, 01:02:45 pm
This should be required watching fo anyone who has found an older rig in "great shape' at a good price.
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: pierats on September 16, 2021, 08:37:11 pm
Kenny,

Very interesting thread and I applaud your pragmatic approach. 👏

FYI, The front window over the cab on the older Lazy Daze is a known problem. Somewhere around 1990 the factory stopped installing that window and switched to a fiberglass cab over without a window. I would check around the window closely for any leaks.

I have an 89 which had that window leak, resulting in a previous owner upgrading it to the new fiberglass front. I probably have the receipt somewhere…but even in 20 years old money that was a very expensive repair!

Best of luck with your project!
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Kenny Z on September 17, 2021, 02:17:33 am
Kenny,

Very interesting thread and I applaud your pragmatic approach. 👏

FYI, The front window over the cab on the older Lazy Daze is a known problem. Somewhere around 1990 the factory stopped installing that window and switched to a fiberglass cab over without a window. I would check around the window closely for any leaks.

I have an 89 which had that window leak, resulting in a previous owner upgrading it to the new fiberglass front. I probably have the receipt somewhere…but even in 20 years old money that was a very expensive repair!

Best of luck with your project!

I feel you are 100% right regarding the front cab windows.  For this reason we will be removing the interior paneling for investigation. There is also visible damage near those windows and I also noticed some sponginess on the upper cab on the left side where we just replaced some wood under the exterior cap.  I'm expecting the cabover to have the most extensive damage. It really is a horrible design and the fiberglass front with no windows upgrade seems like a very good idea; one I cannot afford but certainly would be the best option.
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Kenny Z on September 17, 2021, 02:28:56 am
Okay, here is where we ended it today.  :)

Lazy Daze Video 5 (https://youtu.be/kOIIVv7iq0g)
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Larry W on September 17, 2021, 01:33:11 pm
Okay, here is where we ended it today.  :)

Lazy Daze Video 5 (https://youtu.be/kOIIVv7iq0g)

You are getting right into it, making significant progress in a short time. It is going to be one of the most disassembled rigs seen on the forum. Thanks for the videos.
How hard was it to remove the top caps? I have removed several caps, on later models, and the caps usually get badly damaged, I'm wondering what adhesives were used and how well they held up over 35 years.

As mentioned, the front windows all leak unless resealed regularly. Many restorers have a piece of sheet aluminum cut to cover the window's exterior opening, abandoning the window.
On our 1983 LD, I removed and resealed the window. Inside, the window was blacked out with aluminum foil and the front interior wall was covered with firm styrofoam, covered with a glued-on fabric, an idea I got from Andy. The side windows were blacked out too, liking to sleep in, we wanted a dark area.

The molding around the front cap where the side walls meet the front leaks, I suggested removing and cleaning the molding and area well before reinstalling using a polyurethane sealant and new SS screws. There is a good reason why LD switched to the one-piece front cap, it eliminated many of the potential leaks.

Larry





Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Ed & Margee on September 17, 2021, 02:25:01 pm
Okay, here is where we ended it today.  :)

Kenny … you’re an inspiration for all DIYers!   I can’t believe how fast you’re going on this very difficult rehabilitation project.  Smokin’ 👍
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Larry W on September 17, 2021, 03:02:48 pm
Kenny … you’re an inspiration for all DIYers!   I can’t believe how fast you’re going on this very difficult rehabilitation project.  Smoking’ 👍

Tearing things out goes quickly, putting it back together correctly consumes a lot more time.

Larry
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Kenny Z on September 17, 2021, 03:26:19 pm
Hi Larry,

Had there not been sealant on top of the screws, it would have been fairly easy.  But someone had painted on (probably Dicor) sealant.  So on the top rail, I had to pick away at each screw before I could either use a phillips or socket (depending on where I was on the rail).  Once those were removed, it was very easy to lift the caps. It almost appears the sealant they used underneath was a butyl tape, which appeared to work as there was no damage until you got close to the end caps.  I plan on doing the same:  Laying down a seal of butyl tape in which the stainless steel screws can penetrate to lessen any potential leaks through screw holes.  Then I will apply a thin bead of 3M 5200 on the seams without over doing it.  I plan on doing the same for the windows except the the 5200 will only be on top of window and partially down the upper curve. This should make it much more possible to remove and reseal the window at later dates.  The front window is a major concern to me.  I'm really anxious to start digging into the cabover.  I'm worried at what I may uncover but it needs to be done. I'll be curious to see where most of the water damage stemmed from because I can tell water has leaked from the top caps into it.   My pleasure on the videos.  Whether or not it will be done right in the end, I feel many people are as curious as myself to see what lies under the skins of these. And what can happen to those who ignore regular maintenance.
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Kenny Z on September 17, 2021, 03:34:11 pm
Tearing things out goes quickly, putting it back together correctly consumes a lot more time.

Larry

Thanks Ed and Margee.  Larry, somehow Lazy Daze made some of the tearing things out a rather tedious process, too!  lol  But totally agree. Once the rig is completely sealed up and secure, my wife and I plan on doing the finishing work (paint, flooring, lighting, etc) over the winter season with no rush.
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Kenny Z on September 18, 2021, 01:33:20 am
Insulation up in living area. I feel styrofoam is a better alternative than the old fiberglass batting.  That seemed like a moisture trap.  Honestly, could you imagine how much more leak abuse these could handle if ventilation was more prevalent throughout the walls?  It would be stellar to have multiple interior access panels that could be removed during outdoor storage to inspect for water intrusion and allow for quicker drying.  Anywho, I also took a couple more windows out and was pleasantly surprised. 

Lazy Daze Video 6 (https://youtu.be/wzgBRcdUZaE)
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Joan on September 18, 2021, 08:55:20 am
"I feel styrofoam is a better alternative than the old fiberglass batting."
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LD started using styrofoam in the models produced in spring, 2008. This material does insulate more efficiently than the wads of fiberglass, which tend to settle and shift. I don't know about comparative materials costs, but cutting and fitting the styrofoam into the framing requires more labor and time than stuffing handfuls of loose fiberglass (not batts, which would also have to be cut and fitted) into the framing.

Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: JonS on September 18, 2021, 09:16:59 am
These are interesting video's, thanks. But please do us all a favor and ditch that step ladder.....

Jon
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Kenny Z on September 18, 2021, 11:20:42 am
These are interesting video's, thanks. But please do us all a favor and ditch that step ladder.....

Jon

Is there a reason? I know it's not high quality but so far, it works just fine.
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Larry W on September 18, 2021, 11:52:35 am
"I feel styrofoam is a better alternative than the old fiberglass batting."
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LD started using styrofoam in the models produced in spring, 2008. This material does insulate more efficiently than the wads of fiberglass, which tend to settle and shift. I don't know about comparative materials costs, but cutting and fitting the styrofoam into the framing requires more labor and time than stuffing handfuls of loose fiberglass (not batts, which would also have to be cut and fitted) into the framing.

When reinsulating the walls, styrofoam can be installed as fast as fiberglass by laying the 4X8 sheets of foam on a big table and using a long straightedge and utility knife to cut. Several pieces can be cut at once with an accurate cut sheet.
It's a great upgrade over fiberglass, it's waterproof, doesn't make you itch and the cost isn't bad.

Larry
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Craig P on September 20, 2021, 10:40:01 pm
I picked up some closed cell spray foam to assist with some of the air gaps.  I found the R value and moisture absorption rating on the EPS is not as high as I would like compared to the XPS.  But the drying potential for ESP is better.  I am looking forward to see which route we both take in the rebuild.
Not to highjack
An Error Has Occurred (http://www.lazydazeowners.com/index.php?action=media;sa=album;in=603)
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Kenny Z on September 21, 2021, 08:02:17 pm
Living area paneling is up. Pulled a couple of the cabover windows and the pad.  I am anxious to dig in, however, one of the most important things to remember is try it get as much paneling out in one piece to help stencil the new. I CAN NOT wait until I can put all the windows in and exterior caps back on and sealed. Then my family can spend the winter doing the interior how we want it.  We have been super blessed with dry weather (although we average 300 sunny days a year, anyhow).

Lazy Daze Video 7 (https://youtu.be/QBbF6z8fxFQ)

Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Ed & Margee on September 21, 2021, 10:51:25 pm
Living area paneling is up. Pulled a couple of the cabover windows and the pad.  I am anxious to dig in, however, one of the most important things to remember is try it get as much paneling out in one piece to help stencil the new. I CAN NOT wait until I can put all the windows in and exterior caps back on and sealed. Then my family can spend the winter doing the interior how we want it.

Geez Kenny, I'm overwhelmed and tried just from watching your videos!   Margee & I are looking forward to your next videos.
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Kenny Z on September 22, 2021, 12:21:51 am
Geez Kenny, I'm overwhelmed and tried just from watching your videos!   Margee & I are looking forward to your next videos.

It sure is a lot of work and time involved in this but since I'm working along side my handyman, it's definitely not as daunting as I thought it would be.  In the end, I'll feel much more confident to handle all the exterior maintenance on my own.  And it is fascinating to see what lies beneath the skin of these. While I still would have rather purchased a more solid specimen, I think what I am learning is valuable.  Also a great lesson on how important frequently looking over the rig and sealing it is.  Had the exterior been maintained frequently, the bones would probably be nearly new, still!
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Kenny Z on September 26, 2021, 11:08:17 pm
More progress. But to minimize driving you nuts with a ton of little videos, I merged a few into one here. And we've gotten deep into the cabover.

Lazy Daze Video 8 (https://youtu.be/UPA-Ca8RCrU)
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Ed & Margee on September 27, 2021, 07:11:39 am
Kenny … your incredible project is providing new definitions for perseverance and LD Resurrection!   One thing is for certain and that’s you have rescued your LD from the scrap yard for many more years.

NOTE TO MODERATORS - I’d like to suggest that when Kenny is done and with his permission to list all his videos in a permanent post in the renovation section.  This would allow others to see some of the structures in older LDs and very clearly illustrate the challenges of renovating an older RV.   Thank you for your consideration.
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Chris Horst on September 27, 2021, 10:04:02 am
Kenny … your incredible project is providing new definitions for perseverance and LD Resurrection!  One thing is for certain and that’s you have rescued your LD from the scrap yard for many more years.

NOTE TO MODERATORS - I’d like to suggest that when Kenny is done and with his permission to list all his videos in a permanent post in the renovation section.  This would allow others to see some of the structures in older LDs and very clearly illustrate the challenges of renovating an older RV.  Thank you for your consideration.
Good idea, Ed. I have pinned Kenny's thread so all videos are preserved for future viewing. Also, I have pinned Mike Coachman's thread on Villa Verde's improvements. Mike's long list of improvements to a newer Lazy Daze should be helpful to future owners. These threads are under Lazy Daze Renovations & Improvements.

Chris
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Ibelieve55 on October 01, 2021, 11:59:08 am

How is your progress going? I’ve been following your posts/videos from the start. Thank you for taking time to do these video posts. Im impressed how upbeat & positive your attitude has stayed throughout!!
I have a 1998 27.5ft LD that needs some similar work with rotted wood in back I haven’t opened up the end caps yet bc I’m afraid I may not be able to get them lined up & back on & honestly I’m afraid of what I may discover. My skills in this arena are very limited. I’d love to ask you a few things about your experiences in tearing in to a LD if you have time (at some point) I realize your in the thick of it now.
Wishing you all the best
Warm Regards
Sonja
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: pierats on October 07, 2021, 01:53:33 pm
I love seeing the progress Kenny. Thanks for sharing the journey with us!
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: majortom on October 08, 2021, 09:46:05 am
@Kenny Z i bet you already knew, but i just found out this week how treated wood corrodes aluminum and should not be used when in contact with it... so basically anywhere on our RV.

didn't see any being used by you, so great!!

thank you for the videos
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Kenny Z on October 10, 2021, 02:19:47 pm
How is your progress going? I’ve been following your posts/videos from the start. Thank you for taking time to do these video posts. Im impressed how upbeat & positive your attitude has stayed throughout!!
I have a 1998 27.5ft LD that needs some similar work with rotted wood in back I haven’t opened up the end caps yet bc I’m afraid I may not be able to get them lined up & back on & honestly I’m afraid of what I may discover. My skills in this arena are very limited. I’d love to ask you a few things about your experiences in tearing in to a LD if you have time (at some point) I realize your in the thick of it now.
Wishing you all the best
Warm Regards
Sonja
It's going well! My skills are limited, too.  Luckily, I have a handyman who I've had work on my property rentals for a couple decades. I trust him and his work and he's letting me work along side of him.  If you can locate (or have) a trusted handyman, there is a lot you can do to save $$$.  Removing caps, panels, windows, etc yourself can be tedious but simple.  So if you do the simple, time consuming things, you'll save lots of money.  Feel free to ask me anything.  My biggest piece of advice is to DOCUMENT as much as you can with pictures and video.  It's easy to forget what things looked like as you tear things apart. Plus, if you ever sell it, a future buyer would be very comforted knowing how you repaired it.  I'm going to post another video shortly.  :)
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Kenny Z on October 10, 2021, 02:25:49 pm
@Kenny Z i bet you already knew, but i just found out this week how treated wood corrodes aluminum and should not be used when in contact with it... so basically anywhere on our RV.

didn't see any being used by you, so great!!

thank you for the videos

Oh man! I got worried as I read this and contacted my handyman.  He confirmed no treated wood was used.  Pheew!  I appreciate your post because this is the kind of information that makes these topics valuable for those researching these projects.  I literally had no clue.  But after your post, I googled it and you are 100% correct about the chemical reaction with metal, especially when moisture is involved.
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Kenny Z on October 10, 2021, 02:59:44 pm
Latest update!  This video was last week before I left out of town. We are actually further along than this but I'll post that progress in a few days.  Really focusing on making the cabover extremely solid. Might as well, since we are already in there.  While we have been mindful of being cost effective, I'm willing to put a little extra time and money into the cabover since this usually is the weakspot on nearly all class c RVs. I'm convinced flex and vibration is a major contributor to sealant breakdown and leaks.   ***Note***  There are 2 progress videos merged into one.  Midway through this video you will see more progress.

Lazy Daze Video 9 (https://youtu.be/FjrMV91_pF8)

Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Ed & Margee on December 31, 2021, 02:05:59 pm
Kenny Z and his maintenance assistant seem to have disappeared.  We’ve not had any updates and there isn’t any updates on his YouTube channel.   I’m curious about the final result and if they completed this daunting project. 
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Kenny Z on July 16, 2022, 07:36:05 pm
Phew!  Okay, I'm back!  My apologies for such a delay.  The winter kicked in and pretty much stalled work.  We covered it and only occasionally checked on it. Then the business of life took us by storm.  I'm motivated and back at it.  BUT, I'm going to post a couple more videos from last year, right before the season of cold kicked in.  Here is one of them:



Lazy Daze Video 10 (https://youtu.be/eSiUiI9x7SY)
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Ed & Margee on July 16, 2022, 07:56:27 pm
Thank you Kenny for following up on your project.  As you can tell, your original post has been pinned to this section of the Forum because it could be of great help to those needing insight into these types of repairs.  In fact, as of this date your post has been viewed 1,323 times.  We look forward to additional posts and videos of this project.
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Kenny Z on July 17, 2022, 12:04:36 am
Thank you Kenny for following up on your project.  As you can tell, your original post has been pinned to this section of the Forum because it could be of great help to those needing insight into these types of repairs.  In fact, as of this date your post has been viewed 1,323 times.  We look forward to additional posts and videos of this project.

I feel bad for not checking in earlier.  I guess I really needed to just step back from this project for a moment.  Found a bit of motivation recently and luckily.  ;)
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Kenny Z on July 17, 2022, 06:20:49 pm
This video is the second to last that I took before Winter. The exterior step into the driver's side was unknowingly rotted. I had the pleasure of standing on it as it suddenly broke. So that was a slight setback in the race to beat the cold. 

Lazy Daze Video 11 (https://youtu.be/jbTr76xyvz0)
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Kenny Z on July 20, 2022, 01:35:39 am
Last one of last season.

Lazy Daze Video 12 (https://youtu.be/tJ8vTpQ6CxQ)
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: RonB on July 20, 2022, 03:32:30 am
Hi Kenny;  I've enjoyed the progress you are making on the motorhome.  One thing, is I hope you are changing over to LED lights. That is the single biggest thing I've done. Now it is less expensive than ever, and does the most to extend your battery life. If you spend much time inside when in darker climes, a lot of light makes things cheerier, and makes the room look bigger.  RonB
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Kenny Z on July 26, 2022, 07:39:26 pm
Thanks Ron. I definitely do LED.  Always a great idea! I removed my last response as it was a bit off topic and the video of my old rig did not necessarily reflect the "brightness" you were talking about with the lights. Rather just LEDs.

I do have another video for you all. I'm actually much farther along than this and we plan to camp with it in the next few days. This video is more for my sake.  This will be the last video with all the new and old bare wood exposed. So to document one final time what is under the skin, here it is.

Lazy Daze Video 13 (https://youtu.be/8dzp7FwHb1k)
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Gbert on August 19, 2022, 08:40:15 am
Kenny, thanks so much for posting these videos, and the moderator for pinning. We just purchased an ‘89 rear bath LD, and while it’s in pretty good shape overall we just noticed rot in the inside right corner of the cabover. :o Like completely rotted out behind the paper. We should have found this before we purchased, but we’re new to the vintage RV world and learning as we go. We haven’t gotten into it yet, but I’ve been sorta freaking out as I read all the scary posts about “major repair” and high estimates. This is totally uncharted territory for me and I’m not a carpenter by any means. Watching your videos has really helped to tamp down fears - this can be done. I’m grateful you’ve documented all your repairs thus far and can’t wait to see your project finished so you can reap the reward - bringing your family camping! Thanks again and I may have a few questions along the road of rot repair.  ;)
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Kenny Z on September 07, 2022, 02:32:59 pm
Gbert, I am really glad to hear that these posts/videos have helped!  While not a small project, it's definitely doable.  And being that your LD is 'vintage', too, I feel it's easier to make the decision that it doesn't have to be the exact way LD did it.  My handyman saved me, of course, but much of the work was tedious things that I was able to do myself and save a lot of money. 

I haven't posted an updated video yet even though we've actually been camping in it a couple of time.  It looks and functions great but I wanted to do a few more things before doing an update video.

Good luck with the project!

Kenny Z
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Andy Baird on September 08, 2022, 02:33:11 pm
"being that your LD is 'vintage', too, I feel it's easier to make the decision that it doesn't have to be the exact way LD did it."

Yes, that does help. It's easier to dig in and start modifying an older rig than one that is brand spanking new.

My first Lazy Daze, "Gertie," was 16 years old when I bought it, and had already undergone major electrical upgrades (solar panels, inverter/charger, batteries) by the previous owners, so it wasn't psychologically hard for me to do further mods and improvements.

My second LD, "Skylark," was three years old, and was in factory-new condition when I bought it... but by then I was used to doing extensive upgrades, so rewiring its electrical system, screwing a pantry cabinet to the wall, substituting a desk for one of the couches, adding hooks here and there, and so on wasn't intimidating. When I bought my first Airstream brand new, same thing: I was used to upgrading by then.

But I'm glad I started on an older used rig, because that gave me the courage to make changes and improvements.
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Kenny Z on October 20, 2022, 06:41:16 pm
Well, I sort of wanted to wait until every last thing was done, but we'll probably do much of that over the wintertime.  So I figured I'd show you the progress, which is a lot!  We've already camped a few times with it and it's been successful and very comfortable.  Just an FYI, we are at the part where everyone's taste differs.  I've seen many tasteful cosmetic updates with older motorhomes, however, what we did may be considered a little bold for some.  But while my wife and I are getting older, my daughter is still young and we wanted to have some fun.  My wife and I picked a 70's theme and my daughter wanted a "glamping" theme.  So we brought our 1987 into the 1970's with fur!  :D  Soon we'll add curtains, pictures/artwork and lighting features.  Regardless, I think for a rotted-out motorhome, we've come a long way.   

Lazy Daze Video 14 (https://youtu.be/_WxSsOtGtCg)
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: joel wiley on October 20, 2022, 06:50:40 pm
Do you think it is begging for a burnt-orange shag carpet addition?
 ;)
Really good job. 
See you down the road
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Kenny Z on October 20, 2022, 06:54:14 pm
Do you think it is begging for a burnt-orange shag carpet addition?
 ;)
Really good job. 
See you down the road

Haha!  If we had it, we probably would have done it!  ;)   We did add a multicolor shag rug, as you saw.    :D
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Larry W on October 20, 2022, 07:32:59 pm
Do you think it is begging for a burnt-orange shag carpet addition?

Our orange 1983 22' Front Lounge had orange and brown fabric and carpet, it was retro before retro was cool.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/4058/4422169312_4b79f9bd23_b.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/1186/1416455632_02b5cb6477_h.jpg)

Larry

Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: WhiteElk on October 20, 2022, 07:41:42 pm
Fun and cozy. Great work and thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Kenny Z on October 20, 2022, 09:08:44 pm
Our orange 1983 22' Front Lounge had orange and brown fabric and carpet, it was retro before retro was cool.





Larry



I need those driver/passenger seats!  Cool old rig you used to have!
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Linda B on October 21, 2022, 12:26:02 am
Kenny,
The trim on that back window looks like it has shrunk and needs replacing or reseating in the upper driver side corner.  I don't know if that would let water in, but you should check it out.
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Kenny Z on October 21, 2022, 01:52:38 am
Kenny,
The trim on that back window looks like it has shrunk and needs replacing or reseating in the upper driver side corner.  I don't know if that would let water in, but you should check it out.


You are correct, it has.  Luckily, over some major rainstorms, I've been monitoring any water intrusion for up to a couple days after and no moisture detected (with exception to the front window where just a bit came through where the glazing should be).  I will be addressing all that in the near future.
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: RonB on October 21, 2022, 02:32:45 am
Hi Larry and Kenny; Maybe I'm still stuck in the 70's, but the orange motif was great, and I think at least not as boring as the grey and white that I've seen lately.  I'm not ready for the mauve/ avocado green/yellow (Harvest Gold)  renaissance just yet though. RonB
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Kenny Z on October 21, 2022, 02:56:55 am
Hi Larry and Kenny; Maybe I'm still stuck in the 70's, but the orange motif was great, and I think at least not as boring as the grey and white that I've seen lately.  I'm not ready for the mauve/ avocado green/yellow (Harvest Gold)  renaissance just yet though. RonB

Thanks!  Being this was a product of 3 different personalities trying to work together, I knew as we entered this stage of the project it might raise a few eyebrows, maybe spark a thumbs up, and/or churn a stomach or two.  ;D  But is was the first "fun" part of the project when my wife and daughter got to really participate.  And because we are working with an old motorhome with little resale value and demand, we were all onboard to make it our own, for sure. 

The entire project itself, however, feels like a success.  We went from disappointment from getting burned by the sellers, to being a bit overwhelmed with a project we had no idea if we could complete or not, to feeling a sense of euphoria and pride that we now have a fully functioning motorhome that we got to have so much fun personalizing as a family.   Would we do it again?  Probably not.  But we now know we could if we wanted to.  8)
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Ed & Margee on October 21, 2022, 11:19:49 am
Thank you Kenny for sharing your renovation journey.   It’s been not only very interesting but educational.   For example, there’s a LD owner on a LD Facebook site that used your videos to do a similar cab over repair.  I’m looking forward to your next video with the finishing touches. 
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: HiLola on October 21, 2022, 12:13:11 pm
Ahh, the good ol’ retro days!
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Dazed on February 28, 2023, 11:36:57 am
Kenny, thanks for your updates and your un-daunted approach to a major renovation. I  am at a similar spot(although fortunately not as severe) How are the three front-to-rear planks attached? Im replacing at least 2 of them but I cant see how they are attached. I can gently pry them a little, and have cut the staples that attach them side-to-side, but I dont want to create a new problem by prying on aluminum. I've circled the boards in attached photo
(https://photobucket.com/u/SNOOKERED_album/p/53be8dfd-c7c8-419e-91c5-57f8fdd896f1)                                                                 This is of course a screen capture from one of Ken's videos

Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Larry W on February 28, 2023, 12:45:03 pm
Hi Larry and Kenny; Maybe I'm still stuck in the 70's, but the orange motif was great, and I think at least not as boring as the grey and white that I've seen lately.

We loved our burnt orange 1983 LD, here are two photos from 20 years ago, before the drought (notice the green grass, now only a memory).
(https://live.staticflickr.com/1186/1416455632_02b5cb6477_h.jpg)
Orange interior too.
(https://livkr/p/7JLLSue.staticflickr.com/4058/4422169312_4b79f9bd23_b.jpg)

We were lucky and didn't have any rot issues with the 1983 LD, we sealed it with Eternabond tape and a lot of 3M 5200 FC.
The family we sold it to drove it for several years without problems before it disappeared. We never saw it again.

Larry
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Lazy Bones on February 28, 2023, 01:38:05 pm
"...here are two photos from 20 years ago, before the drought (notice the green grass, now only a memory)."

Beautiful driveway Larry! How many of us Lazy Dazers have seen our rigs parked on your real-estate?   ::)   ;)
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Kristin Lambert on February 28, 2023, 09:25:33 pm
I am one of them! I'm so glad I went to Larry's place before he redid my LD roof with Eternabond that I had shipped to him in advance.  I had no idea that he would soon quit doing roofs, but he also sealed my back window (thank heaven), and helped me with the magnetic catch on my screen door. This talented guy could actually fabricate parts when necessary! He also climbed on the rig at a Morro Bay later to check my roof after having branches drag over it in the campground.

I love Larry! So do most of us!  Thank you thank you thank you!
Kristin
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Kenny Z on April 01, 2023, 07:35:12 pm
Kenny, thanks for your updates and your un-daunted approach to a major renovation. I  am at a similar spot(although fortunately not as severe) How are the three front-to-rear planks attached? Im replacing at least 2 of them but I cant see how they are attached. I can gently pry them a little, and have cut the staples that attach them side-to-side, but I dont want to create a new problem by prying on aluminum. I've circled the boards in attached photo
(https://photobucket.com/u/SNOOKERED_album/p/53be8dfd-c7c8-419e-91c5-57f8fdd896f1)                                                                 This is of course a screen capture from one of Ken's videos



Sorry for the late reply.  It's been such a while now since that stage for me, however, I don't remember any real issues removing them.  The front ends of those planks were very rotted and basically crumbled. If I remember correctly, we used a multi-tool to cut any attachments.  And I don't recall they were attached to the aluminum. 
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Dazed on April 01, 2023, 07:57:55 pm
Kenny, thanks for your reply. I found that the outboard planks are attached by the long screws that hold on the corner/end  caps. Fortunately the piece I was prying on was crumbling as well so no harm to the aluminum or fiberglass was committed😎
For some reason, during manufacture the planks were attached on top of carpet (!) but I was able to cut out the nasty old carpet without destroying anything. Hope you’re enjoying the fruits of your labors
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Ed & Margee on April 01, 2023, 09:07:05 pm
Kenny, thanks for your reply. I found that the outboard planks are attached by the long screws that hold on the corner/end  caps. Fortunately the piece I was prying on was crumbling as well so no harm to the aluminum or fiberglass was committed😎
For some reason, during manufacture the planks were attached on top of carpet (!) but I was able to cut out the nasty old carpet without destroying anything. Hope you’re enjoying the fruits of your labors

Any pictures?   Please 🙏.
Title: Re: Wood Rot Repair And Restoration Fun!
Post by: Dazed on April 01, 2023, 10:04:21 pm
Any pictures?   Please 🙏.

Yes! Will post soon