Yahoo Message Number: 138853 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/lifewithalazydazerv/conversations/messages/138853)
I just installed a tire pressure monitoring system (TPMS) the with a lot of help from the folks here. After reading the threads here and on other forums I chose the Doran 360rv. For now I am using the dash plug. I will unplug it when the RV is stored for a long time but for now I will let it run a few days. The solar should keep up with the drain on the batteries.
I did have some trouble installing the system. The problem was not with the product it was the metal valve extenders on the RV for the outside rear wheels. They were not long enough. I've installed the Tireman valve stems that I purchased last September (I had one extender leak so I purchased the Tireman stems for the next wheel/tire issue). Doran recommends using a produce like the Tireman or Borg valve but does not mention either product by name.
I like the green light. I like the instant on (when hard wired or plugged in). It will warn of low pressure but only as it cycles through the wheels. So they state that it is not a devise that will warn about an emanate blowout. There is one warning for a slow leak (6% pressure loss as I recall) and different warning for a fast leak (I think 12% loss). It will also alarm at start if your tires are below the pressure that it expects. It not give you a green light if you program 6 wheels and then use only four transmitters because two were left off when they could not get past the hubcap.
Until I could get the RV to the tire shop I drove with the four transmitters on a short trip and eventually figured out that I needed to delete the two others to get the green light. Most people would not have to tinker with the system as much as I have but I got to know the Doran well by doing so.
I am very happy with the product.
John
Yahoo Message Number: 144663 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/lifewithalazydazerv/conversations/messages/144663)
Just getting ready to buy the Tire Traker pressure and temperature monitoring system for my 2004 MB and Toad. The sales person asked what kind of rig I had. When I told him Lazy Daze, he said I need to buy a booster as the radio waves won't go through the aluminum body. Does anyone else use the Tire Traker brand ( where you can replace your own batteries) and do you need the wireless booster?
Yahoo Message Number: 144664 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/lifewithalazydazerv/conversations/messages/144664)
After reading that Andy was going with the Pressure Pro, my decision was made. Andy researches to the nth and he has not led me wrong yet!
Bob in FL SE 5
On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 4:38 PM, "cindybeck123@..." wrote:
Yahoo Message Number: 144667 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/lifewithalazydazerv/conversations/messages/144667)
"Does anyone else use the Tire Traker brand ( where you can replace your own batteries) and do you need the wireless booster?
I use a Doran 360RV and it does not need a booster. I can pick up the toad's tires pressure when it is parked a 100' away.
Larry
Yahoo Message Number: 144672 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/lifewithalazydazerv/conversations/messages/144672)
You might want to go to the Techsnoz site - https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Techsnoz/conversations/messages (https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Techsnoz/conversations/messages) (subscribe if you don't already belong) and look at Article55.pdf in the 'Files' section; it details Terry's installation of the 'Tire Traker' TPMS.
Joan
Yahoo Message Number: 144676 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/lifewithalazydazerv/conversations/messages/144676)
I have a Tire Traker for my 23.5TK. Seems to be working okay without a booster. I had front tire reading issues but I think that was due to weak batteries because the booster would not be needed up there so close to the monitor. When I tow I will add a booster. My main issue is that the menu navigation is a bit tricky.
Yahoo Message Number: 144678 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/lifewithalazydazerv/conversations/messages/144678)
I have a Tire Trakker, 10 sensors and a remote "booster." I used it with my 2005 MB and Jeep Cherokee for nearly 4 years. The booster unit was not required and has never been out of the box and the system worked fine, when it worked at all. I bought my Tire Trakker because of the replaceable sensor batteries and because Terry Tanner had one and it was doing well. However, my experience with Tire Trakker has not been the same as Terry's:
>> The first receiver lasted about 1 year before it failed. It was replaced under warranty.
>> The second receiver lasted about 15 months. It too was replaced under warranty. While getting this unit replaced, the Tire Trakker people told me that the receiver should not be left connected to the 12-volt RV power unless it was turned on and running. Also "There is a note in the manual about this." (Not in my original manual or the new manual that came with the replacement receiver.)
>> I changed the batteries in the sensors every year, but the sensors were often intermittent. I felt that they were very sensitive to the physical nature of the valve stem to which they were attached.
>> I felt that the "error detection" logic in the software left a lot to be desired. I experienced many cases of "false error indication." When I read Tire Trakker's criteria for the error I could see why I got the error indication, even though there was no problem.
At present my system is sitting on a shelf in my office. The receiver is sick again and 4 of my 10 sensors have completely stopped working. Over the years the unit did catch a couple of situations that could have developed into serious problems. However, I feel that it was not a good investment.
While my experience with Tire Trakker has not been good, I have talked with other people that have had good results with it (or with one of the 3 identical systems that are sold under other brand names.) Obviously YMMV.
I now have a different motorhome and have started to look for a new TPMS. Glad to hear that Andy has researched the subject and selected a system.
Doug
Yahoo Message Number: 144685 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/lifewithalazydazerv/conversations/messages/144685)
We have the Pressure Pro TPMS. We got it in 2007 and it's still going strong. We've had to replace a couple of the sending units to date, but, otherwise, it does a great job.
The drawback is that it does not have replaceable batteries...you must order new ones (at a lesser cost) when the batteries go bad. However, after reading about the TPMS with the replaceable batteries, I'm thinking we're better off with the system we have!
Yahoo Message Number: 144687 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/lifewithalazydazerv/conversations/messages/144687)
Good point, Bob. Does your Pressure Pro system need a wireless booster so the toad's signals reach the monitor?
Yahoo Message Number: 144688 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/lifewithalazydazerv/conversations/messages/144688)
Another endorsement for Pressure Pro. Ours has worked well for nearly six years. It's a 10 wheel system for our MB and Jeep Wrangler. We finally replaced the sensors before our current trip because one sensor was no longer reporting. No repeater needed for our setup. I wouldn't mind user replaceable batteries, but I'll take reliability over that.
Art
Yahoo Message Number: 144689 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/lifewithalazydazerv/conversations/messages/144689)
Larry, thanks for your reply. I hadn't heard of the Doran, but after your post I looked on Amazon and saw it there. Is that system something that I could easily install myself - just screw on the tire sensors and program the monitor?
Cindy in Q for now.
Yahoo Message Number: 144690 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/lifewithalazydazerv/conversations/messages/144690)
"I hadn't heard of the Doran, but after your post I looked on Amazon and saw it there. Is that system something that I could easily install myself - just screw on the tire sensors and program the monitor?"
Cindy
PressurePro, TireTraker and Doran TPMSs are not difficult to install.
The biggest challenge is mounting the read-out controller on the dash. They all plug into a lighter outlet or can be hardwired so they come on with the ignition. The sensors just screw onto the valve stems.
The most complicated part is programing of the unit.
Each sensor needs its location and unique identifying number programed into the base controller. Then the set pressures for each tire are programed. The programming, for me, was the more difficult part, requiring a bit of time to figure out to move through the setup. One feature I like is the 'drop and hook", which allow the toad sensors to be ignore when the toad is disconnected, preventing false alarm.
To prevent premature dead batteries, I pull the sensors off the toad, when at home. If the LD is going to be parked for more than two weeks, I remove its sensors too. The Doran sensors shut off when removed.
Don't know if other brands do the same.
TPMS monitors are expensive and so are our LDs. One rear tire blowout can do thousands of dollars of damage, The cost of our TPMS would not even cover the insurance deductible on the repairs.
Larry
Yahoo Message Number: 144695 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/lifewithalazydazerv/conversations/messages/144695)
Hi, Cindy, Bob, Andy, Gini, and other interested parties,
I'm at Quartzsite. I elected to go with the Tire Traker system. I liked it for several reasons: user changeable batteries, small monitor (dashboard real estate is getting scarce), user manual is easy to read and understand, light weight sensors, competitive price, sensors available at Camping World if necessary (Tire Traker and Tire Minder are the same system, just a different private label).
Although I don't understand the hardware(circuit boards)/firmware differences between the competing systems, they all seem to be pretty much the same technology, i.e. reading and displaying remote information wirelessly. The differences seem to be pretty minor, despite what the reps say, and it's mostly which features appeal to you. Every system will have its pros and cons.
In any case, I will be the ongoing test case for Tire Traker. Terry Tanner installed the Tire Traker system awhile ago per one of his files, but all he did was describe the installation. He hasn't reported how he's liked it after using it for awhile.
If I have any difficulties, I'll keep the group posted.
Kathy Lautz
Yahoo Message Number: 144704 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/lifewithalazydazerv/conversations/messages/144704)
Kathy, did you go with the additional booster also? The Tire Traker guy said that due to the aluminum skin of the LD, a booster needs to be hard wired into the 12 volt system. Also, I am so happy to see your reply here, as the last entry on your blog was scary. It sounds as if all of the repairs have been made?
Yahoo Message Number: 144707 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/lifewithalazydazerv/conversations/messages/144707)
Yes I did. In my current frame of mind, I'm reinforcing corners, not cutting them. Also, I'll wire the booster cord to a 12v plug and use the extra 12v receptacle in the cabinet to the left of my TV in my mid bath. I don't use the TV so I keep a power converter up there too, for charging small electronics.
We'll all just have to keep a running log of TPMS issues as they occur, to see if any definitive pattern shows up. I'd also like to hear about any anyone's system alerts if/as they happen.
Yahoo Message Number: 144715 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/lifewithalazydazerv/conversations/messages/144715)
Also, I'll wire the booster cord to a 12v plug and use the extra 12v receptacle in the cabinet to the left of my TV in my mid bath. I don't use the TV so I keep a power converter up there too, for charging small electronics.
Kathy, that is the stumbling block for me-wiring the booster cord to a 12 volt plug. Does the 12 volt plug come apart so you can do th wiring? I just can't visualize how to connect the wires to the 12 volt plug. Or did you find someone to show you how?
Also, will the booster use 12 volt power, even when you are camped for a period of time, or do you need to remember to unplug it.
Obviously, I know nothing about electronics, but I do want to be safe.
Cindy
Yahoo Message Number: 144716 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/lifewithalazydazerv/conversations/messages/144716)
"Also, I'll wire the booster cord to a 12v plug and use the extra 12v receptacle in the cabinet to the left of my TV in my mid bath. I don't use the TV so I keep a power converter up there too, for charging small electronics"
Cindy
Just about all TPMS systems have decent range. I would hold off on buying the booster until you see a need.
A booster does need to be plugged in, when is use and should be unplugged to prevent a power drain when parked..
Larry
Yahoo Message Number: 144718 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/lifewithalazydazerv/conversations/messages/144718)
Beats me, but I can ask and figure it out. It can't be too difficult. Here's a video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B5DXXKW4GY), and there's lots of information to be had from a quick Google search. But I always get someone to check my work.
Kathy L.
Yahoo Message Number: 144719 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/lifewithalazydazerv/conversations/messages/144719)
Thanks, Kathy, exactly what I was looking for, if I need to go that route.
Cindy
Yahoo Message Number: 144720 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/lifewithalazydazerv/conversations/messages/144720)
Thanks, Larry. I appreciate your advice. Hopefully by the time we see you in Morro Bay, this will all be ironed out.
Cindy
Yahoo Message Number: 156577 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/lifewithalazydazerv/conversations/messages/156577)
I have a 2014 TK. I am installing TireMinder TM66 TPMS. I found I had to remove my value extensions. No a real problem in my estimation. I'd rather have a direct connection to the tire values. I used a Demal to enlarge the holes on the rear tire hub cap.
I have two questions for the group.
1. I'm pondering going without the rear hub caps. Yes its not as 'pretty' but it become more easy to check air pressure and fill rear tires. Anyone else doing this.
2. For those that have installed this system where did your install the booster.
Thank you all for your help -- both past and future. I'm a member of many newsgroups this is one of the best well run.
glen google.com/+grhafford (http://google.com/+grhafford)
Yahoo Message Number: 156580 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/lifewithalazydazerv/conversations/messages/156580)
I have often thought about removing the hubcaps. I kind of like painted wheels, so every time I polish the hubcaps, get the annual Virginia safety inspection, I have the caps off. I wish the factory wheels were bright silver. And yes I have thought about painting them myself but I am very bad with a can of spray paint. If I were to do this I would paint the wheels silver, hub black and would like a set of chrome acorn lug-nuts to finish the job off.
The disk brakes through off a bunch of brake dust so putting some kind of synthetic wheel polish (not wax) would be a good idea. Wax gets warm and soft on the road and then just absorbs the brake dust.
John
Yahoo Message Number: 156604 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/lifewithalazydazerv/conversations/messages/156604)
In the past 8 years we have used two different TPMS systems and neither required removal of the valve extensions. Why did you have to take them off?
Jim C
Yahoo Message Number: 156605 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/lifewithalazydazerv/conversations/messages/156605)
"In the past 8 years we have used two different TPMS systems and neither required removal of the valve extensions. Why did you have to take them off?"
------ It wasn't clear to me whether the OP meant "valve extenders/extensions", i.e., the *rubber hoses encased in braided stainless steel mesh* that are attached to the tire valve and affixed to the center of the wheel cover, or whether he was referring to the "configured valves", i.e., the long and U-shaped brass or steel valves that replace the OEM valves and come through the holes in the wheel cover for easy pressure checking/airing.
There is often "terminology confusion" for these two very different set-ups.
As ever, YMMV.
Joan
Yahoo Message Number: 156606 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/lifewithalazydazerv/conversations/messages/156606)
I may have misunderstood as well. However, on some of the valves we use the solid trucker type valve extensions and I thought he might be referring to those and we didn't need to remove those.
Jim C
Yahoo Message Number: 156610 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/lifewithalazydazerv/conversations/messages/156610)
Required is too strong a word. Ease of use is closer to the truth. The hub cab that LD uses has too small a hole for easy access. Maybe it could be just my large hands. The valve extension for the inside dual was spring clipped to the hub cab. The outside dual valve was located just inside the hub cab just close enough to cut my hand each time I checked for tightness. This left me with the idea to enlarge the hole on the hub cap or remove the hub cabs. By removing the hub cab I could access the tire valves without any extensions.
My plan now is to get new lug nuts and repaint the wheels. (Smile) I'm thinking a red/white swirl with green chrome lug nuts. I almost positive my wife may have some other ideas.
Glen
Yahoo Message Number: 156641 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/lifewithalazydazerv/conversations/messages/156641)
I have the TireMinder TM66 system and have the booster attached to the back side of the rear window shade valance. It's wired to a spst switch in the cabinet next to the entertainment center so I can turn it off when we're not moving. I don't like the green light shining in my face at night.
Maybe your valve extensions aren't threaded? I have threaded valve stem extensions on my front wheels with the sensors attached to the extensions and TireMan stems on the rears that don't need extenders. You definitely DON'T want your transmitters touching the wheel or hubcaps.
Hope that helps,
Charlie "Gandalf the Grey" '99 MB
Yahoo Message Number: 156690 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/lifewithalazydazerv/conversations/messages/156690)
"I have the TireMinder TM66 system and have the booster attached to the back side of the rear window shade valance."
For what it's worth... with the PressurePro TPMS system, I haven't found a booster to be necessary. The monitor panel, which I've mounted above the cab's windshield, reads the pressures of all ten tires on my 26.5' midbath and my towed car without a problem.
Andy Baird
Yahoo Message Number: 157961 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/lifewithalazydazerv/conversations/messages/157961)
Regarding the Tire Minder TM66 and Borg Valve Extenders.
I have both installed on my 2015 RB. I also have the lug extensions that Todd at LD recommended. While the hub cap is a tricky fit, it is doable. I posted two photos of the installation.
I used my Brake Adjustment Spoon to gently push the valve extenders (TM66 already installed) out of the way as I installed the hub caps. A little spooky, but it works fine.
Where the TM66 Booster is concerned, I'm feeling it a must as Tire Mindeer states in the manual. While simply driving in town, the TM66 gave me false readings in both the pressure and temperature.
This may be due to the monitors proximity to the dashes electronics (I currently have it placed in a space on the dog house). Still working out the finer details in monitor placement and where to wire the booster.
Any help with these two details is greatly appreciated.
Kent
Yahoo Message Number: 158769 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/lifewithalazydazerv/conversations/messages/158769)
Hi Folks,
Thought I would do a little update of my last post on my TM66 installation. I remounted the monitor above the rear view mirror in the cab. This was done to get it away from the electronics of the dash.
Antenna Up...so says the Tire Minder Manual. So with that done, I headed for the hills. Not long after hitting the road, the monitor went off with pressure and heat warnings. I had filled the tires so felt confident the error was the lack of the signal booster. They were indeed fine.
After reading the LD manual about disconnecting the coach batteries and cautions about the solar panels, I was reluctant to wire the booster there.
Calling the TM factory confirmed that the booster needed to be hooked up somewhere either inside or outside the coach. I was also reluctant to mess with the truck battery or drill holes and mess with any coach wires.
I decided to make a 12 volt battery of my own. Using 8 AA batteries and a plastic battery pack I picked up I got a green light from the booster. After researching battery life, I figured my set up should provide power for two to three weeks.
I hit the hills again. And with the battery pack and booster tucked in the shelf above the rear window of my RB, everything worked perfectly. No false readings or alarms.
After 2 1/2 weeks I changed out the cheap AA's for Energizers and I and very pleased with the results. I'll post a picture of the pack and booster so anyone interested can give it a try.
Enjoying the road. Hope you do the same.
Kent
Yahoo Message Number: 158770 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/lifewithalazydazerv/conversations/messages/158770)
Would rechargeable batteries be more economical for your setup? Or a larger auto. battery jump starter?
Yahoo Message Number: 158778 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/lifewithalazydazerv/conversations/messages/158778)
I had considered a rechargeable lead acid battery at first.
After speaking with the sales clerk at Fry's Electronics, I was told that they would not accept the battery as a return in the event that my project was not successful.
Rechargeable lead acid batteries run around $125 plus $25 for the charger. Non-rechargeables run about $50. I decided to take the least expensive alternative to determine the viability of the concept. Total cost was about $6.00.
Jump starter batteries might work, but are very large by comparison to either the AA battery pack or the smaller lead acid rechargeable battery. They also often have cigarette lighter styled plug ins which Tire Minder recommends against.
Lead Acid batteries can store up to 12 amp hours. The TM66 booster draws about 25 mili-amps so the lead acid battery could last an extremely long time when compared to the 2 to 3000 mili-amp hour life of a AA battery.
Rechargeable AA's might also be an option. Only time will tell which option I may end up with.
Thanks for your suggestion.
Kent
Yahoo Message Number: 158779 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/lifewithalazydazerv/conversations/messages/158779)
In our class A we've installed the booster in the house battery compartment, above the batteries, connecting directly to the batteries for 12V with alligator clips. This should work in an LD as well. For long term storage, disconnect to prevent slow drainage of the batteries.
Dale
Yahoo Message Number: 158783 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/lifewithalazydazerv/conversations/messages/158783)
Hi Dale,
Did you leave the booster inside the battery compartment? With my 27' RB, TM techs said I could have the booster under the hood if connected to the truck battery since I don't tow.
Thanks,
Kent
Yahoo Message Number: 158788 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/lifewithalazydazerv/conversations/messages/158788)
'After reading the LD manual about disconnecting the coach batteries and cautions about the solar panels, I was reluctant to wire the booster there. "
Kent
I must have missed something, what warnings are you referring too?
You have gone to great lengths to power the booster, with its own battery, when there is plenty of 12-volt power available through out the cab and coach, not to mention the hassle of replacing batteries.
I have never had problems wiring 12-volt devices to either cab or coach electrical systems.
Larry
Yahoo Message Number: 158795 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/lifewithalazydazerv/conversations/messages/158795)
Thanks Larry,
On page 48 of the LD owner's manual it states that any time the coach batteries are disconnected that the solar charging system is still providing power to the coach 12 volt system. It further states that the fuse in the converter fuse panel marked "Solar Panel" must be pulled. Additionally, it mentions the chassis battery Solar Panel fuse under the steering column should be disconnected. These are the cautionary notes to which I referred.
TM states that cigarette lighter type 12 volt supplies are to be avoided due to the possibilities of a loose connection during travel due to vibration. They also state that "switched" connections should also be avoided as the booster should be running 24/7.
When considering using alligator clips to attach the booster to the coach batteries, I was not certain of the 100 % reliability of such a connection. No doubt I am seriously over thinking this whole thing. But that's just me.
When considering making connections to inside coach 12 volt sources, I dreaded the thought of drilling holes and running wires across the walls or floors. Perhaps the thermostat in the RB closet would be a good source? I'm not sure.
As I am still getting use to my new LD, I wanted to get things moving along and after the TM66 seemed to need the booster I did what I could to get things going.
I am truly open to suggestions and value everyone's input. I just really don't want to mess up my new baby.
Your advice is always welcome and I totally agree that replacing AA batteries every couple of weeks would be a "drain" on vital resources.
Keeping it light.
Kent
Yahoo Message Number: 158798 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/lifewithalazydazerv/conversations/messages/158798)
Kent,
Yes, the booster remains inside the coach/house battery compartment at all times. I simply disconnect from the battery when storing the unit. Coincidentally, I did have a LD RB for 7 years & if I were in your situation I would install the booster in the house battery compartment, rather than under the hood: 1) easily accessible, 2) should run cooler than under the hood, 3) if you ever tow, this should work for getting the signal to the toad, as well.
Dale
Yahoo Message Number: 158801 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/lifewithalazydazerv/conversations/messages/158801)
Dale,
Thanks for your input. Sounds like a perfect fit. Pure and simple and no splicing into coach electrical or strapping the wire harness to the chassis. Just the way I like it.
I'll give it a shot and see how it works.
Kent
Got my Tireminder today. Kent, did you attach the booster inside the battery bank and if so what did you use, some high strength 3M strips or the like?
Thanks, Dave
Hi Dave,
Actually I cheated a bit. The subject was discussed quite a bit. It is common to use alligator clips to attach the booster to the battery bank and just leave the booster in the battery bay. Velcro (or something more industrially tough/duarble) may work. Perhaps large zip ties would be appropriate. However, I took a different approach.
Now I will go over what I did. I like its simplicity and it works 100% of the time.
I know my approach is somewhat unorthodox and some here may deem it silly but here goes.
I made a AA BATTERY PACK to create a 12 volt block. I purchased a plastic battery holder at Fry's Electronics. It holds 8 AA batteries. The pack has a clip on the end like the one a 9 volt battery has. I purchased the matching "clip" and soldered it to the Tire Minder Booster.
Simple, fast and very inexpensive. Total cost about $6.50 without the batteries.
Since I have a RB, I place my Booster Pack on the shelf above the bathroom sink.
The green power light is visible in the rear view mirror as I travel. It serves me well and the light reassures me that the booster is functioning.
I do not leave the battery pack connected to the booster when not traveling. I simply unsnap the connector and leave it where it lies.
Thirty minutes before I hit the road, I connect the battery pack to the booster then I go to the receiver and set it to scan each transmitter for tire pressure etc.
Tire Minder states that after sitting overnight, the receiver should be made to scan the transmitters prior to hitting the road. Depending on how long my LD will be sitting I can disconnect the batteries as I see fit.
Leaving the "battery pack" connected drains the batteries and wastes money. As it is, the batteries are good for about 9-12 days if running continually. It's a given that while in a campground the Booster Pack and its batteries DO NOT need to be active.
A set of batteries last about 4 months this way when disconnected, maybe longer. Hooking the Booster to your coach batteries will last a great deal longer. But that's just me and like I mentioned I get to see the "green light" so I know I'm good to go.
I'm certain that however you get the "green light" and attach the booster you'll be fine. One day I may hook mine to the coach batteries, but for now I like it the way it is.
Hers a shot of my set up.
Kent
Thanks. I think I'll zip tie it to one of the battery "handles" and see how it works.
FYI, the booster is much different today (see the pic).
The booster may change with the model. Mine is the TM66. Your monitor may well be different also.
No matter. They all function pretty much the same. CW advertises the TM66 all the time. So it's still current I would imagine.
Here's a shot from CW (not promotin' just showin')
Kent
Well,crap. The Tireminder sensors don't want to screw onto the Tireman dually extensions. Anyone run into this? I called them this morning and they never called back. Grrrrrr
Looks like I'll monitor the front wheels and the toad wheels. I carry an infrared gun so will just stop every few hours and shoot the sidewalks and treads on all the tires.
Dave,
This is indeed very odd. When I purchased my extenders, I picked them up directly from Borge out here in So Cal.
The Tireman has been doing this for years and folks here have been very pleased.
At this point, it appears that your Tire Minder transmitters fit the front tires but not the dually extenders. Can't imagine the Tireman not matching your rigs stems front to back. Hmmm...
Many people don't have a monitor system and simply use a "thumper" to see if the tires have air prior to travel. That and a decent pressure gauge (mine is a Tire Minder) and a small 12 volt air compressor and you should be fine.
Check 'em in the morning before you hit the road. As for heat, I think they really only overheat if you are running them too low. Others here may have more input on the finer details.
Don't stress it. We have all done pretty well without the monitors. They're just really nice to have. Take care of it when you get back home and enjoy your trip.
As a side note...The Tireman isn't the only person who can install the extenders if he's too far away. Borge recommended Allen Tire to me and they (and others qualified) are local.
Kent
Thanks. I have everything I need such as Viair air compressor and a talking tire gauge that has proved to be very accurate (thanks to Andy B!). Topped off the tires this morning to 77 pounds and the fronts at 62. We have a fair amount of stuff for weekenders but nowhere near "a lot" so although I haven't weighed her in forever I figure we are nowhere near 14,050.
Need to do the pre-trip stuff early in the morning; first for work and second due to the humidity. Holy cow, can't wait for 72 degrees and low humidity!!!! ;D
If normal valve stem caps fit on both stems (inner and outer) the issue is with the TireMinder caps. I got TireMan stems and have had no issue with the TPMS senders fitting. I am not with the LD right now and can not tell you which system it is. Oneday I will put the name in my phone so I can reference it.
I know that this subject has been discussed many times. I have reviewed many of the posts that go back several years. I am ready to purchase a TPMS for our LD. From posts on file, I find that LD owners from several years back recommended a Pressure Pro system. In recent years, it seems that the two most often used have been TireMinder and TST. I have read the literature and promotions on these and, I find pros and cons for both. One brand that is well advertised with videos is EEZ. However, I find no posts by LD owners on this system. If it is as advertised and illustrated, it appears to be a good value.
I am ready to purchase and install a TPMS. Before doing so, I would be interested in knowing if an LD owner has an EEZ system and what their experience is with it. I want to go with a reliable and quality system first and foremost.
Jim, NC
I know that this subject has been discussed many times. I have reviewed many of the posts that go back several years. I am ready to purchase a TPMS for our LD. From posts on file, I find that LD owners from several years back recommended a Pressure Pro system. In recent years, it seems that the two most often used have been TireMinder and TST. I have read the literature and promotions on these and, I find pros and cons for both. One brand that is well advertised with videos is EEZ. However, I find no posts by LD owners on this system. If it is as advertised and illustrated, it appears to be a good value.
I am ready to purchase and install a TPMS. Before doing so, I would be interested in knowing if an LD owner has an EEZ system and what their experience is with it. I want to go with a reliable and quality system first and foremost.
Jim, NC
Here are links to my original post on that system and then one year later. You may not have found anything on your search because the name is Eeze.
Adding TPMS monitoring to Toad (http://www.lazydazeowners.com/index.php?topic=26906.msg145409#msg145409)
Tire pressure monitors - My 1-year use summary (http://www.lazydazeowners.com/index.php?topic=27370.msg148890#msg148890)
It is now over 3 years since we switched and we remain happy with the system.
Jim
We have used the TST brand on two RV's and have been pleased.
Out current model is TM-507SG
https://www.campingworld.com/includes/productSpecs/507%20Tire%20pressure%20monitoring%20system%20manual.pdf
Flow through sensors. Replaceable batteries.
Ed
Good point on the sensors Ed. We got the flow through for the LD but not for the car since they are so long they would have looked very odd.
Jim
We have TPMS from Tire-Safeguard. Flow through for LD and not for toad. Have been very satisfied, especially with the telephone ;D support when monitors got out of sync and technical spent about 1/2 hour helping to re-sequence. Kudos.
Tom
We have TPMS from Tire-Safeguard. Flow through for LD and not for toad. Have been very satisfied, especially with the telephone support when monitors got out of sync. Technical (owner-?) spent about 1/2 hour helping to re-sequence. Kudos.
Tom
Tire Pressure Monitoring Systems (TPMS) for RVs – Why the EEZTIRE is Our... (http://www.technomadia.com/2017/07/tire-pressure-monitoring-systems-tpms-for-rvs-why-the-eeztire-is-our-choice/)
We recently purchased the tiretracker system at a Rally in Indiana. It is a different system compared to one pictured in the link. We haven't installed it yet but plan to do so in the very near future, It was an expensive purchase but something we just felt we couldn't live without any longer. It has some features we liked including a notification when tire temp suddenly changes, alerting the driver to a potential problem. Jeff from RV safety came across as knowledgeable and credible at the various rally presentations he made on safety.
Having lived through the blow-out of one of my rear dualies. Have been looking at some of the new tire pressure management systems. I own a 2003 30 ft island bed and was considering one of the wireless systems.
Does anyone have any experience with these? Any recommendation or cautions regarding these or specific brands?.
Thanks
Marc
I would not be without one. I have been happy with my PressurePro TPMS. It has been on for 9 years now.
Ken F in WY
We have used this system for a number of years on two RV's. Works just fine.
I change the batteries each Spring simply to avoid having to change them on the road should they fail. Much easier to do at home at my convenience with all the tools I might need.
TST 507 Flow Thru Kit - Tire Pressure Monitoring Systems - Truck System... (https://tsttruck.com/product/tst-507-flow-thru/)
These discussions might help?
EEZE RV TPMS Accuracy (http://www.lazydazeowners.com/index.php?topic=30638.msg176900#msg176900)
TPMS (http://www.lazydazeowners.com/index.php?topic=29615.msg167270#msg167270)
TPMS report from "Technomadia" (http://www.lazydazeowners.com/index.php?topic=30519.msg175681#msg175681)
As some have already said, it's a smart move regardless of the TPMS.
Hello all,
I had the experience yesterday of having a tire blow out on my Lazy Daze 26.5. It was the left outer tire that blew as I hit something on the way south on I95. I saw it and had tried to avoid it but no luck. My TireTraker system did exactly what it was supposed to. It started flashing a bright red light and beeping loudly warning me that I was losing pressure very quickly. I have a hearing loss and I was still able to hear it quite clearly. I drove slowly to the next exit and had the spare put on the camper. While the spare was being installed (for $25) we got to witness the Eclipse within six miles of the center of the path.
Fortunately I had ordered a Tire Traker system last week and had it installed the night before I had the tire problem. This is the first trip I have made with the TPMS and I am sure glad I had it. Being able to check on what pressure was in which tire and see the individual temperatures is very helpful. I am now a believer in TPMS systems and their value to RVers. Had I not known what happened I would have had to pull off to inspect the damage and the traffic was VERY heavy going south on I95 in South Carolina at the time. Stopping on the highway would have been a very dangerous option but I did not have to thanks to the TireTraker system.
I bought a TireTraker because I had heard about it from some close RVer friends who have had one for many years. In the latest issue of an RV magazine they reviewed all of the popular systems including the one I bought. It was very easy to install as the manual was quite complete and easy to follow. One of the reasons I bought this system is that the individual sending units attach directly to the end of the tire valve stem and weigh less than 1/2 an ounce. I can add sending units when pulling a trailer. No having to remove tire from rims or anything like other TPMS equipment I have seen. The batteries are cheap and plentiful and can be changed without removing the sending units. It is a well thought out system and I am sure glad I had put it on when I did.
When I purchased my system I was told by the representative of TireTraker that I would need their "Repeater transmitter" as our RV's have an aluminum skin. That may be true with a trailer but the basic system worked just fine on my 26.5 LD and the signal strength was fine in my vehicle.
This little device made a potentially bad experience into a manageable one. It kept me from having to stop on a crazy busy road and risking an accident. It protected my family and my dear little Lazy Daze RV.
That made it worth every penny it cost, to me.
I hope you never experience a blow out at speed as it gets exciting fast. Having safety equipment like the TireTraker makes my confidence level go up a notch while cruising along at 70 mph on a busy highway.
Like you, I too have the TST 507 flow thru...I just this year replaced the batteries, even tho they were still working fine..just thought that nearly three years of use might be pushing it, and wanted to do the replacements before needed, at
my leisure...grin.
I'm very happy with the system--and love the temp as well as pressure readings. Keeps me informed what temps are running especially when driving in the south west in 110 plus weather.
I just had a "loss of air" on the infamous inside passenger tire..the alarm told me instantly there was an issue..got me stopped asap.
The system has paid for itself several times over.
At 04:31 AM 8/22/2017, you wrote:
We have used this system for a number of years on two RV's. Works just fine.
I change the batteries each Spring simply to avoid having to change them on the road should they fail. Much easier to do at home at my convenience with all the tools I might need.
TST 507 Flow Thru Kit - Tire Pressure Monitoring Systems - Truck System... (https://tsttruck.com/product/tst-507-flow-thru/)
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Our Doran RV360 is still working fine after five years.
I wouldn't want to travel without it working.
Larry
I have the RV 360 as well. This trip west is had trouble with two sensors intermently loosing contact with the receiver. I called the company and they confirmed my belief the batteries are getting weak. The sensor life can be prolonged by (being more diligent than I) taking the sensors off when the RV is not in use. I've had the system for 4-5 years. I purchased extra sensors for the Subaru. I need to get metal stems for the car before adding the car's to the system.
RV 360 vs. Tire Traker ???
Convinced DH that this is probably a good investment. Now to choose brand.
Queries from DH:
How much space does the read out gizmo take on the dashboard? He has a Scan Gauge up there now.
Can the sensors be put on if one has the air-thru filler valves, or do these sensors replace the filler valves?
Limited physical acuity will probably preclude self installation, unless it is really easy to do. What sort of dealer (tire?) should we contact, if needed?
Virtual hugs,
Judie <-- Sierra Vista, Arizona
Adventures of Dorrie Anne | Photographing the West (http://dorrieanne.wordpress.com)
Today: Finger Painting in Columbus, New Mexico
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Queries from DH:
"How much space does the read out gizmo take on the dashboard? He has a Scan Gauge up there now."
Can't speak to all brands, of course, but the general answer to your question is 'not much'. Perhaps an area say 3' long by 1" deep. And it doesn't have to be right in front of the drivers eyes either, especially if there is a passenger to keep an eye on it now and then. I have a Scan Gauge, GPS and a TPMS and they all get together just fine.
"Can the sensors be put on if one has the air-thru filler valves, or do these sensors replace the filler valves?"
The sensors replace the valve stem cap.
"Limited physical acuity will probably preclude self installation, unless it is really easy to do. What sort of dealer (tire?) should we contact, if needed?"
As long as a person in your group can check the tire pressure now, they can install any of the TPMS systems. You just remove the existing cap and screw these in their place. However, sometimes, depending on the type of decorative wheel covers you have , the length of the valve stem and the size of the sensor, it may be necessary to enlarge the hole on the cover to accommodate the sensor. I had to do this to the two front wheel covers on my 2015. The holes simply were not large enough. Now I could have added a short extension to the valve stem to get it further out, but I really didn't want too. A drill with an abrasive attachment made quick work of making the hole larger. Plus I'm guessing that some of the metal I ground off would help offset the additional weight of the sensor.
The first set of sensors we had did not have the flow-through stem feature. Before every trip I like to get the tire pressures balanced because tires simply lose air over time. With the old system I had to take all the sensors off to do this. Doable but a PITA. The ones I have now have the flow-through stem so before each trip, i just check the tire pressure with my gauge and use my pump to get everything just as I want it. A very convenient, time saving feature.
Ed
Virtual hugs,
Judie <-- Sierra Vista, Arizona
Adventures of Dorrie Anne | Photographing the West (http://dorrieanne.wordpress.com)
Today: Finger Painting in Columbus, New Mexico
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"What sort of dealer (tire?) should we contact, if needed?"
Camping World, and possibly other RV places, usually install all products they sell.
More recent discussion/reviews on TPMS at:
Your input for a Easy Use Tire Pressure/Temp Sensor System - iRV2 Forums (http://www.irv2.com/forums/f52/your-input-for-a-easy-use-tire-pressure-temp-sensor-system-354715.html)
Hope this helps.
We have used this system for a number of years on two RV's. Works just fine.
I change the batteries each Spring simply to avoid having to change them on the road should they fail. Much easier to do at home at my convenience with all the tools I might need.
TST 507 Flow Thru Kit - Tire Pressure Monitoring Systems - Truck System... (https://tsttruck.com/product/tst-507-flow-thru/)
Do you use a repeater with your setup, Ed?
Chris
Do you use a repeater with your setup, Ed?
Chris
No.
Not on our '08 MB and not on the TK. Never had a reception problem so far.
But I only have the sensors on the camper, not on the Jeep. The wheel style on my Jeep doesn't have holes large enough for the sensor without me adding an extension to each tire which I rather not do.
I just keep the rear view camera on while driving and watch for black smoke which might indicate a flat tire on the Jeep. 😱
Ed
Do you use a repeater with your setup?
We have the EEZ TPMS and tow a Subaru. The monitor picks all 10 sensors within a few minutes and we've not lost a connection once it's turned on. In other words, does not need a repeater. This system gives us PSI and temperature readings for each tire with the capacity to change settings. I'm liking this TMPS system more and more ... gives us peace of mind about tires especially for the Toad.
"What sort of dealer (tire?) should we contact, if needed?"
Camping World, and possibly other RV places, usually install all products they sell.
If one gets the type of TPMS that plugs into a cigarette-lighter-style 12V outlet, the only installation that might be required are all metal valve stems and toad. The monitor for the TPMS can just sit in a drink holder or some other pocket that can be reached by the cord. They alarm if there is an issue, so you don't need to have the monitor "front and center" to watch for problems.
For the duallies on the coach you'll want to get the stems from someplace like Borg or Tireman, for the toad we used Discount Tire. You do not want to attach the weight of the TPMS sensors to the end of a rubber stem or flexible extender; you want solid metal valve stems (and in the case of the inner rear duallies, you want the stems supported by a stabilizer as they stick through the outer dual rims).
We generally advise against Camping World touching anything on a coach (although there are a handful of CWs that we have heard aren't bad. That hasn't been our experience).
"in the case of the inner rear duallies, you want the stems supported by a stabilizer as they stick through the outer dual rims"
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The 'stabilizer' to support the long valve from the inside dual is a large rubber grommet that comes with the long valve kit from the Tireman; the Borg kit probably contains the same thing, but my experience is with the Tireman kits. Tireman valve kits also contain complete and specific installation instructions; despite this, I have heard of a few installations being done without using the rubber support grommet (and not torqued to specs, and mis-aligned....), most likely because the installer didn't RTFM! Valve kits can be ordered from Tireman or 'Borg':
Tire-Man: Products (http://tire-man.iwvisp.com/products.html)
Duallyvalve Information (http://yourtireshopsupply.com/page/266-266/duallyvalve-information)
I suggest that the rig owner read and understand how the long valves should be installed and check the installation to make sure it was done right.
Ditto Michelle's advice on using Camping World for anything rig-related; maybe some have had positive experiences, but I suggest finding a good tire shop to do the work.
YMMV, as always.
Do you monitor the 4 Dually tires or all 6?
Do you monitor the 4 Dually tires or all 6?
All six
I really liked how simple the TireTraker was to install.
I installed the batteries on the sensors and screwed them on in place of the caps on the tire valve stems. Next I programmed the controller by identifying each sensor, it took less than two minutes to finalize the programming on the system. I spent less than 10 minutes installing the entire system (including the repeater) myself and getting it setup.
My system uses a battery inside the receiver which will last for a month of every day use they tell me. The kit includes a charging adaptor that uses the cigarette lighter or you can use a USB port to charge it up. The receiver is smaller than my IPhone 6. One negative on the TireTraker is that you cannot leave the system plugged in continuously, the instructions tell you to charge it regularly but don't leave it plugged in 24/7. The battery can be overcharged and damaged if left charging continuously.
The kit has a dashboard mount but I used a piece of Velcro to hold it in place. In the kit are included a set of locks to secure the sensors from thieves if you feel it is warranted.
Overall I have been very impressed with the quality of the TireTraker kit and it works great! I have looked at several of the competitors and they all seem to be very nice as there are several ways to get the same information.
I am handicapped and don't bend very well as I crushed five discs in my lower back. Even with my limitations it was very easy to install and setup.
Having a serious hearing loss I had to find a device that would get my immediate attention in times of emergency. The receiver has a little red lite that flashes very brightly as well as a loud beeper. When it went off I was immediately aware even with my limitations.
Safety equipment is a "must have", and since I do most of the maintenance on my vehicle it had to be simple to maintain as well for me to buy one. There are some nice systems out there and I came close to buying a system with the blow through sensors but decided against it as it would require shorter valve extensions or having pressure pushing on the extension mounts. I really did not want to have to remove wheels to install parts. The system I have made it as easy as checking the pressure, just change the caps and the installation was practically done. The programming was easier than putting the sensor caps on.
I am happy with my purchase and feel it was the best option for me. I hope that you folks that are in the market for a TPMS have an experience like mine has been. Life should be so simple all the time. Good luck and safe travels!
So I bought a tire pressure monitoring system at a Camping World on our current trip, but haven't opened it and still have the option to return it. I'm undecided about whether to do so.
I've never had so much as a slow leak from our LD tires in fourteen years and 100,000 miles of ownership through three sets of Michelin LTX tires, including trips throughout Alaska and Baja, and precious few tire problems on other vehicles. Then we have Larry's story of his recent blow out, preceded by tread separation unannounced by his TPMS.
Most tire problems I have experienced over the years (on cars and motorcycles) have been punctures leading to slow leaks.
I have a CO2 tire inflation system that makes checking and airing tires very easy. My routine is to check the tires on any morning that we are traveling in the LD. That takes less than 10 minutes and involves checking all ten tires on the LD and our toad and adjusting all tires to their correct pressure, usually just a pound or two one way or the other as a result of temperature and altitude changes.
It seems to me that this routine would catch most slow leaks and that tread separations would likely occur without warning from any installed TPMS, as Larry's did. That leaves rapid leaks as the main catastrophic possibility, something I've never encountered on any vehicle.
And I'm concerned that TPMS itself could become a bit of a distraction. I've read a lot of posts about false TPMS alarms, and people confused about what their TPMS is telling them, and I really don't need more data to distract me from driving as I roll along. Finally I'm worried that having TPMS would militate against my manual morning checks and that eventually I wouldn't do them (out of concern for repeatedly removing the expensive and seemingly often problematic tire stem sensors).
TPMS is very "trendy" right now, and seems to be getting the hard sell from all those who market those systems. And of course it's hard to argue with another layer of safety. But I'm left wanting to hear from any TPMS detractors or skeptics to know the other side of the story, if there is one. On walks through campgrounds my casual observation is that most motorhomes don't yet have TPMS. Yet there they are, in camp, not off in the ditch somewhere.
So if you've decided against TPMS I'd be interested to know why. Thanks to all.
Terry
2003 26.5'RB
Gardnerville, NV (currently in Columbus, MT)
I bought one 6 years ago and used it for about a year. I spent A LOT of time fiddling with it and it never really worked well IMHO. The sensors would display old reading (by design) when the device was first turned on in the morning, leaving me to wonder if I needed to double check the tires. The valve stem monitors would lose connection with the main unit, and I reprogrammed the thing I don't know how many times. I replaced the batteries many times, and I very occasionally the sun would hit the wheel simulators in a way that focused sunlight on the sensor (when parked). This resulted in a warning signal and melted plastic on the sensors. The vendor was very supportive, sending me replacement parts in an attempt to find the problem, but I just got tired of messing around with it. I put the TPMS in a box and reinstalled my inflate-through valve covers.
Maybe the technology has improved, or maybe I was just doing something wrong. Either way, I seem to be happier without them.
Rich
'03 MB in NC
I used a TST507 flow through TPMS for a few years on 2 different coaches. Never had a problem other than 1 inner tire valve was bad and gave me false readings. Changed it and no further problems.
I plan to get another set once I have the tire valves all changed to metal ones.
I put TPMS on our coach when we started towing - a 10 sensor readout including the toad. If you have a problem with the toad without them, your first indication might be the flames you see flickering up in your rear-view camera. We added that for towing too.
Prior to that, we did not use TPMS.
Steve
This thread would be much more useful with manufacturer and model numbers, as well as coach and toad sizes. :)
Not trying to stir things up, but I don't think we have to dance around specifics to retain website sponsorship and whatnot...
Chip
In response to Chip, the TPMS I purchased and am trying to decide whether to keep or return is a Tireminder Smart TPMS that uses one's phone for displaying tire data and alerts. It's a fairly new model.
The valve cap pressure sensors communicate with a Tireminder module that can be placed anywhere in the cab and which then communicates with one's phone via Bluetooth. Assuming it works, I like this approach because it means one less screen in the cab.
Also, the Tireminder module alone will signal an alarm with just a tone and a light. You thus can check the data on your phone only when needed, not having it as a constant presence, and distraction. This is much like how factory installed TPMS works on most cars.
Our LD is a 2003 26.5' Rear Bath and we tow a Jeep Wrangler.
Terry
Gardnerville, NV (now in MT and going out in a minute to check my tires)
I use the Tire Minder system. Having worked as a Test Engineer in a past life I have a bit of understanding of lab vs real world situations. I will not nor am I able to defend any company but having said that most folks don't read the spec sheets or have expectations of equipment that the company will never met.
For instance I did not install the wireless booster so I expect that I will lose signal from the transmitters. Also there will be interference from assorted other wireless transmitters that a boosterless system will not be able to overcome. Having read the spec sheet I understand the system is accurate to plus or minus 3%. In the real world on my standard tire pressure of 75 it can read anywhere from 72 to 78 and still be within the range of 'normal'. When you toss in the tire gauge itself you could have an error of another 2 to 5%. If the 'errors' go in the 'wrong' direction you could have an error of 8% or more - meaning tire reading with your tire gauge could be plus or minus of 6 pds on my standard 75 tire pressure ie 69 to 81.
So the question is should I buy a TPMS. Frankly I use my system because I'm lazy. I will know when a tire goes flat - I'm very sure of that. I use the system to 'check' the air pressure before I drive off. Yes there is a cheaper way like going around with a tire pressure gauge but like I said I'm lazy. This insures in my personal life I 'check'. My recommendation -- If you don't have an extra 300 to 400 dollars and you ALWAYS check tire pressures before you drive off save your money.
Mine was/is a TireTraker, the model with the receiver they don't sell anymore TT-400.
My biggest frustration was with the way they showed old data first thing in the morning. I bought the system primarily to avoid having to check tire pressure manually in the morning. From the FAQ FAQ's (https://www.tiretraker.com/faqs.php)
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On the TT-400 system, as soon as motion begins, the monitor will begin to update the system data with the current pressures and temperatures within 20-30 minutes.
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So - I would have to drive for 20-30 minutes to get updated data, defeating the purpose of avoiding morning checks in the first place.
Rich
'03 MB in NC
Other than the recent blow out, we have had a couple slow leaks.
I'm more concerned about our toad's tires, there is no way of knowing what is going other than the view from the camera.
I know several LD owners who had flats on their toads and never knew about it until they could see smoke or passing motorist flagged them down.
One toad burned to the ground. Preventing this alone made the purchase worthwhile.
One thing I love about the TPMS is NOT having to daily manually check the tire pressure, It takes about ten seconds to scroll through the ten tires, on the TPMS's monitor. It a real pleasure to use on a cold, rainy morning.
Not having to manually check the pressure prevent any air from being lost, during the checking, which can add up on a long trip and require adding air. I rarely add air while on the road.
I would not want a system that uses my cell phone as it's monitor, preferring it to be completely stand alone, so nothing needs to be done other than turning on the ignition. Make it as easy on yourself as possible is my logic. YMMV
Larry
Our TPMS-Tire Minder TM66, has a wireless Signal Booster. Prior to setting up the booster when I originally installed the system, I got several "warnings" of both air pressure and temperature failures.
Since activating the booster, I have had no false warnings and one warning of a lost signal from a sensor (battery failure).
If the rig has been sitting in the drive way for a couple of weeks or more, I will check each tire manually. I use an analog tire pressure gauge manufactured for Tire Minder which is stated to be within +/- 1 psi accuracy. The TM66 itself is stated to be within +/- 2.7 psi. This would suggest that there could be a variance of +/- 4.7psi. Is it perfectly accurate? Probably as good as others, I suppose. I have no issues with the system other than those I have mentioned.
While traveling, I rely on the TM66 monitor to determine air pressure before hitting the road.
ONE THING: Tire Minder states that a Scan of the Sensors be taken prior to departure. The manufacturer states that if the rig has been stationary for more than 9 hours a scan is needed to update the acurracy of the TPMS. It's a simple matter of pressing two buttons on the monitor and waiting about 20 minutes before departure. Then I check each tires pressure/temp via the monitor. Easily done and part of my travel routine.
I am not certain if other TPMS's need a pre-departure scan but it would seem to be a prudent action to take. If for nothing else, a little peace of mind.
Kent
Terry, I heard a similar argument from another LD'er a few years ago. He towed a small, fairly expensive, customized sports car behind him. He felt that he didn't need a TPMS because he checked tire pressures before he started out. I pointed out that every time he puts a pressure gauge on a tire he risks the Schrader valve not fully seating due to a bit of dust or some such, and as soon as he moves his equipment he is at risk of a puncture. I said that if he had a soft tire on his TOAD he would never know it in the rig. He didn't see the problem.
A few days later he left South Monticello Point, Elephant Butte Lake State Park, in New Mexico heading for Caballo Lake, 30 miles away. He emailed me shortly after he got there. His custom high performance right front tire was gone. As in, no sign of rubber on the rim. His custom rim was destroyed, His rotor was damaged and had to be replaced. Obviously, he had lost pressure soon after starting out. He pulled the TOAD for those 30 miles, tearing up the tire, rim and rotor, and never noticed a thing. He needed to order a new tire and wheel, both high end customized stuff, and had to wait over week to get replacements. I don't know what the story was with the rotor. I do know that he said his final cost to repair was over $1500.
Later, I asked if he was finally ready to get a TPMS. Nope. He said, "What are the odds of something like that happening again?"
My TPMS, PressurePro, does not require a pre-departure scan. Once I turn it on, it takes a few minutes before every sensor "logs in" to the monitor. Once they do log in, any low values set off an alarm. Pressures are subsequently checked by the sensors every few seconds. If a pressure falls outside of the range, an alarm is immediately sent to the monitor. If all is ok, each sends pressure information to the monitor every few minutes. It is no distraction, unless an alarm goes off, but that is something I would want to know.
In 9 years of fulltiming, I have gotten one alarm from a failed sensor, and I have seen a number of first thing AM alarms where a tire pressure is down a few pounds, due to the cold weather overnight. The pressure in the low tire is displayed, allowing me to decide if I need to pull out my compressor, or if it is OK to roll. Case in point, currently my TOAD pressures are reading 29 to 30 in the morning, and I usually take them up to 33. So, the alarm goes off, I look at the readings, and I silence the alarm. It will repeat in a few minutes if the pressure stays low, but usually a mile of driving brings the pressure up to my "OK" range.
When you check the pressure in the morning before starting out, you travel, knowing ONLY what the pressure USED to be. With a TPMS, you know what the pressure is, all the time. For some, they see no need for a TPMS. I would not travel without one.
Ken F in WY
This is all great info. We're due for tires before long, and I'll be looking at either internal or external sensor systems in the meantime. Although external isn't as integrated (obviously) it means that replacing a bad sensor is a ten-minute job instead of an all-day, get-out-the-wallet ordeal.
The temptation is great to use the cell phone as display, but with it already used for navigation, itinerary planning, back-up/hitching camera, music, and oh, yeah, communications... maybe a dedicated unit is worthwhile.
We're currently trailering the toad du jour, but the selection may vary in the future. Can aftermarket systems read OEM sensors?
Also, don't feel you need to stop the above discussion, if there's more to add...
Chip
Can aftermarket systems read OEM sensors?
No. Completely different systems, etc.
We started using a TPMS (Pressure Pro) in 2011. We had a situation earlier where we discovered low pressure in a toad tire that turned out to be a nail, and if we hadn't noticed the low-ish looking tire, we likely would have done damage. That tire needed repair, and a TPMS would have showed that slow leak.
Our initial experience with Pressure Pro was frustrating. One seal kept causing a tire to leak down. We got new seals. Another sensor failed bizarrely reading very HIGH pressures (in a construction zone. In a torrential downpour). The sensor continued to send odd readings even when removed from the wheel. Tap it on the counter and the reading would change. Pressure Pro had never heard of such a thing.
After replacing that sensor (and the seals in all the others), the system has been solid. It actually alerted us to yet another nail in a toad tire. We replaced all sensors in 2016 since a couple started failing (internal batteries).
At minimum we would always have a TPMS for a toad. We also like having it for the coach. Now, you do need to make sure you have one-piece metal valve stems on any wheel that has a TPMS sensor, and support any long stems with a proper stabilizing grommet (e.g. if you get Borg stems for the rear duals and they stick out through the holes in the outer duals).
Our research showed non-replaceable battery sensors were a little lighter than those with replaceable batteries, so that's how we chose our TPMS. Less stress on the valve stems. When the current sensors start to fail we'll revisit the TPMS options at that time.
N.B. - Valterra has purchased Minder Research, the makers of TireMinder.
I had to take off my TST 507 TPMS because one of my dogs is extremely noise phobic and anytime one of the sensors would beep - and they do beep for various reasons - she would have a full-blown anxiety attack. As you can see by the attached photo she is pretty relaxed now but it took a long time before she would willingly get in the coach
I will know when a tire goes flat - I'm very sure of that.
I used to think that, too, but after the third flat on the rear axle, I finally admitted to myself I had NO IDEA that any of those tires was flat while driving - every one was discovered by looking at the tires after stopping for other reasons. A flat on the rear simply does not affect the handling and feel of the coach like a flat front does. Also, it's unlikely the flat will be noticed by other drivers, so even they can't warn you. For me, that was a sufficient reason to get a TPMS, but I procrastinated until I had a tire blow on the trailer, and I finally installed sensors on both vehicles.
Thanks for everyone's input. I decided to return my TPMS for now, since we were passing Camping World on our way home from our current travels and don't have one near us at home.
I'm going to focus on preparing for TPMS for now. We need new tires on our Jeep and will have metal valve stems installed as part of that, a good thing to do in any event. I'm also going to do a bit more TPMS research, though I like what I've learned about Tireminder. And I'm going to determine and prepare for how I would install the Tireminder signal booster that they say is mandatory (the lack of which or its improper installation Tireminder says is the case of most false alarms). At that point a TPMS install would be easy if I decide to go that direction.
I'm left in a quandary though. I have no disagreement with TPMS in theory but am leery of the complexity, and some risks, that it adds. Ten small individual sensors spinning around constantly out in the weather, repeatedly removed and reinstalled for manual air checks. The fact that the sensors depress the tire valve when installed, so you're relying on the sensors to keep air in the tires, instead of the tried and true tire valve and whatever cap you use. And then the fact that there seem to be as many stories of problematic TPMS, particularly false alarms, as there are stories of trouble-free operation.
I don't think TPMS is much protection against tread separation. And I think my daily morning manual air checks and observation and temperature checks at some stops during the day are likely to catch any slow leaks. After all, at least in our case, we're just talking about 6 hours or so on the typical travel day between leaving one camp and arriving at the next. That leaves rapid air loss due to some sort of puncture or damage as the main risk that TPMS might help with.
We hear stories of tire catastrophes but don't usually get many details, certainly not enough to know what really happened both before and during the event, so it's hard to know if any given story tells us anything about the risk we face given how we manage our tires. I continue to think prevention is the best strategy for safety. The best quality tires checked and adjusted every travel day with quality equipment for proper inflation and regularly inspected for problems.
But I suspect at some point in the not-to-distant future I'll add TPMS to learn about it first hand.
Thanks again for your thoughts.
Terry
2003 26.5'RB
Gardnerville, NV
I'm left in a quandary though. I have no disagreement with TPMS in theory but am leery of the complexity, and some risks, that it adds. Ten small individual sensors spinning around constantly out in the weather, repeatedly removed and reinstalled for manual air checks. The fact that the sensors depress the tire valve when installed, so you're relying on the sensors to keep air in the tires, instead of the tried and true tire valve and whatever cap you use. And then the fact that there seem to be as many stories of problematic TPMS, particularly false alarms, as there are stories of trouble-free operation.
Terry
2003 26.5'RB
Gardnerville, NV
I don't understand why you would remove them for manual air checks? That is one of the main purposes for having them. In the case of the LD we use flow through sensors and they are never removed except to replace batteries. On the Subaru, we use the non-flow through so they are removed when we have to air up the tires. While we should remove sensors when parked for any extended time to preserve the battery we never remove them. So, for over 9 years now we have had TPMS on our LD.
On our previous model the Doran RV 360 we had battery failures which required the sensors be replaced. On the EEZ RV model we have used since Jan 2014 we have had one sensor fail to work properly that was replaced under warranty and other than that no air loss because of a sensor.
The only alarms we have had are the occasional beep if the monitor temporarily loses a sensor. That is partly my fault because I don't have a regular schedule for replacing batteries. Recently, I set up the repeater to see if that completely eliminates that from happening but have only used it once so can't comment on that.
For me, TPMS is just another form of insurance and convenience. In my case, I hated checking air pressures every time we headed out.
All that said, I agree, that they aren't perfect but it works for us.
Jim
A flow through tire sensor would solve at least one of those problems.
I'm a relative newbie that has been enjoying our used 2003 30' IB for over a year with my wife and our kitty Yofi. Having survived the trauma of a blowout of my left rear duelie and all the inherent damage to our coach (hole in black water tank, destroyed fender skirt and mangled wheel well and side of coach) we promptly replaced all six tires. Tread was great, no cracking or visable dryness of sidewalls. Only problem as we learned was the manufacture dates - all were original tires. Now we know, replace tires after 8-10 years no matter how much tread is left, or how good they appear.
Now that we're a little wiser, I want to see what others think about these tire monitoring systems that give read-outs about temperature and pressure on a panel in the cab. The new wireless models seem easy to install and set up. Also interested in any recommendations of specific brands/models.
Thanks for any thoughts
Marc
Hi Mark,
Big discussion on just this subject a little while ago. Take a look at this thread. Tire pressure management systems (http://www.lazydazeowners.com/index.php?topic=30667.msg177172#msg177172). Several systems are used by people on this board. I have one in my RV. It does not measure temperature.
Tire replacement likely should be toward the lower number, many here suggest five years.
John
"Now we know, replace tires after 8-10 years no matter how much tread is left, or how good they appear."
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The biggest 'tire killers' on RVs are underinflation and overweight conditions; tread wear is much less of a factor in RV tire failure than wear from heat, sidewall stress, and poor tire maintenance.
Even running the highest quality tires under optimal conditions and caring for them diligently, expecting an RV tire to be safely serviceable for 8-10 years is wishful thinking; IMO, owners should consider 5-6 years to be the outside limit of safety, again, depending on individual circumstances.
As ever, YMMV.
It does not measure temperature.
Temperature can be a valuable indicator of tire problems, or an issue about to become one... BUT not when indicated by an externally mounted TPMS sensor. These sensors, unlike the oem internal ones that incorporate the tire valve, will respond to the external temperature too, which means they often read much higher than the tire temperature. Mine read temps, I wish I could turn that off. Distracting and almost meaningless.
Steve
An addendum regarding TPMS systems - it pays to know your system and learn when the readings are valid. A short trip I just returned from three of the tire sensors on the rig never gave a reading, though the four on the toad did. When arriving at my destination, about a 45 min drive away, still nothing from those three sensors on the rig, but all four on the toad still read the proper pressure - despite the toad being parked in the garage back home.
The three non-reading sensors had bad batteries, and once power to the monitor was turned off, then back on, it no longer indicated toad pressure. This was all expected behavior - from experience.
Steve
Our Doran RV360 TPSM is almost five years old, with two of the sensors replaced due to failure.
It has worked, without failing, since new and has stayed accurate
A repeater was added early on after losing contact, at times, with the inside dual tires.
The biggest problems have been the difficulty of programing and the limited pressure differential range.
The Jeep's oversize tires often alarm low, on cold mornings, and can have a high pressure alarm the same day, if driving on a hot day.
I have compared the Doran's accuracy to several digital pressure gauges and the sensors are within a pound or two of being the same.
The Doran updates very quickly, even after being off overnight or days, useful for when adding air, which isn't very often.
Not losing air every day, while testing, and tight Michelin tires, lets us go for weeks or longer without adding air.
In fifteen years, I have never used our 12-volt compressor, on the road, ordinarily airing up at home.
I should plug it in sometime to see if it still works :-)
The Doran's biggest fault are the non-replaceable batteries. On the plus side, 8 of the 10 sensors are still good after five years.
I know folks, with TPMSs, that have needed to start changing their batteries after just a year.
It would be interesting to know how many sensors fail due to battery cap seal leakage, before and after a battery replacement.
If towing, I fully recommend a TPMS, along a rear view camera.
The piece of mind is worth the cost, IMO
No one ever said this was going to be cheap.
Larry
I first used a Tire Tracker several years ago which quit working after 3-years. I replaced that with the TST which has given me no problems in the last 6-years of use. The only difficulty was with the programing of the unit. However, the TST people easily assisted me by phone to finish the task. The tire sensors have replaceable button batteries and O-ring seals. Very easy to do. I did opt for the repeater that I placed on the back window of my RB and powered it from the light fixture above the toilet. Easy job. The tire pressures are within 1-3-lb. of my gauge. I used non-pass through sensors that require a special security wrench to remove. Still easy to do. TST does offer the pass through sensors.
Mike, 2010RB
FWIW, I have the PressurePro system. I bought it before I took delivery of my '08, and have had the sensors, with non-replaceable batteries, in place since then. Around year 2, I had a sensor go bad. It was replaced, no cost, under warranty. At 7 years, in very cold weather, I had a sensor (1 of 10) that would be slow to register, and would occasionally lose its connection to the monitor. So, with 7 years on the sensors and an expected life of 5 years, I replaced all the sensors. I am at 9 years on the system, with no other issues. As Larry said about his system, programming the sensors is annoying, but other than needing to press the buttons just right, is not onerous, particularly since I have only needed to do it a few times in 9 years.
I should note that I set my tire pressure with a digital pressure gauge. That gauge agrees with the two analog gauges on my compressor, e.g., I can set them at 80 psi, let the compressor charge the tire, then check the tire and I read 80 psi. However, the reading reported by the sensors can vary by several pounds. That really doesn't matter, because the sensors are intended to measure and report a CHANGE in tire pressure. They do a good job of that, and as the programming is individual sensor rather than group programming, if a number reading is off by a few pounds, that is of no consequence. A loss of pressure on one sensor will be reported as quickly as a loss of pressure on another, and is a function of percentage pressure change. There is an old expression - "Man with one watch knows the time. Man with two watches never sure." As the sensors are highly reliable in detecting and reporting pressure changes, but not as much in reporting actual pressure, I do not use them to set my tire pressure. I make the tire pressure right and use the tire pressure to set the sensor.
Ken F in UT
As the sensors are highly reliable in detecting and reporting pressure changes, but not as much in reporting actual pressure, I do not use them to set my tire pressure. I make the tire pressure right and use the tire pressure to set the sensor.
This information is one of those points that new or newer RVers might miss in their RV Education 101. These are little nuggets of information born from experience and they're of considerable value to folks like Margee and I. Just this morning we were fussing with our tire gauge and the TPMS readings trying to reconcile them ... we failed. So thank you Ken for this particular nugget.
Having read and re-read all of the reviews for a TPMS, we are now ready to purchase and install one. The TireTraker seems the most useful for folks with limited ability to twist, turn and crawl under things.
If there are any red flags that I missed on this brand, can someone please wave the banner in my face?
Virtual hugs,
Judie
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Judie, I moved your mini-thread to the lengthy and informative Tire Pressure Monitoring Systems (TPMS) thread, thus trying to keep all these comments together. It resides in the Lazy Daze Renovations & Improvements forum. I also decided to pin this thread so it will always show up at the beginning of the LDR&I forum. It's a popular topic and there are very good reviews of various TPMSystems in this thread.
Chris
"Judie, I moved your mini-thread to the lengthy and informative Tire Pressure Monitoring Systems (TPMS) thread, "
Thank you, Chris. I searched around for the correct place, but apparently missed the obvious. Good idea to pin it.
Virtual hugs,
Judie <-- Sierra Vista, Arizona
Adventures of Dorrie Anne | Photographing the West (http://dorrieanne.wordpress.com)
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First off a big thank you to those who do the heavy lifting on the LDO forum and make it possible for newbies like me to read and learn from those willing to share their expertise and experience.
I think it had a lot to do with my positive experience using a few of the products and services recommended by others on this site during this recent string of unplanned LD related events over the past couple of weeks.
It started with installing the 2nd hand TST 507 TPMS that I found didn’t work due to a broken antennae solder connection.
That led to an email to TST support who promptly replied I could make a warranty claim since it was under 3yrs old or upgrade to the latest color version for $99.
Mike Benson, mbenson@tsttruck.com (mbenson@tsttruck.com), said they are offering the new color monitor to existing customers at a “discount” and others if they call and ask.
Ordered a new TST 507 cap set that comes with color monitor, 4 sensors, and repeater for $318 since I wanted 4 more sensors for the toad. Plus I sent in the old one for the warranty claim and both arrived within a week.
Went to install the TPMS again before our trip and developed a valve stem leak on the outer curbside dually when testing out the new TPMS.
Dropped off the LD at Les Schwab in Elk Grove who replaced the valve stem for free but also put on a stem that was too short and not centered on the hole since they said that was all they had.
Left for the trip with the TPMS gadgets in the box and minus one wheel cover since it touched the edge of the new valve stem when installed.
Returned to S&B from trip and checked the tire pressure the next day and discovered the valve stem on the inner curb side dually was broken off at the base – WTH?
Called Progressive Insurance partnered with USAA on the chance it was covered under roadside assistance and it was. The service tech showed up at the S&B within 30min of calling and put on the spare.
Called Six Robbless (http://www.sixrobblees.com) and ordered the DL1EC brass Duallyvalve kit for less than anywhere else I could find – you have to call since they do not list the valve stems on their site. Received the tracking number via email within a couple of hours.
So all in all we got a ton of good info out of this event and trip. Found out TST now has a color monitor, good support and warranty policy, Les Schwab has good customer service but should probably not be the ones to install the new valves without more direction, Progressive insurance partnered with USAA has excellent roadside assistance – at least in Sacramento area, Six Robblees has excellent customer service and prices, and the LD can go at least 5hrs and 250mi on half a dually though not recommended.
Sometimes things go your way – whew!
Rich Meek
Larry (or Doran TPMS owners),
I have been looking over the Doran website and downloaded the user manual. I see that the Doran system has a high temperature alert. I see that the receiver display shows tire pressure data. However, I could not find much about the temperature data aspects of the Doran display. Can you scroll through each tire to confirm each tire's temperature?
Larry (or Doran TPMS owners),
I have been looking over the Doran website and downloaded the user manual. I see that the Doran system has a high temperature alert. I see that the receiver display shows tire pressure data. However, I could not find much about the temperature data aspects of the Doran display. Can you scroll through each tire to confirm each tire's temperature?
We started with the Doran system in 2008 and we full time. I don't know about the temp question but be aware that the batteries in the sensors are not user replaceable. None of ours lasted the 5 years claimed but perhaps the amount of travel ended their life prematurely. Replacements were $30 a piece. A couple of sensors failed under warranty. Unless things have changed the monitor has to be hard wired or plugged in
We have had the Eeze system for 4 years now and had one sensor failure and batteries are cheap. I'm not trying to sell you an Eeze system but I would highly recommend a battery operated monitor and sensor with user replaceable batteries.
Jim
Can you scroll through each tire to confirm each tire's temperature?
Newer models may have this feature but ours doesn't.
If a tire over heats or the brake sticks, the heat build up will also increase the air pressure, leading to a over-pressure alarm.
A temperature readout would be more convenient but not enough of a benefit to buy another unit.
Larry
Jim,
On their website, Doran states that non-replaceable batteries was a deliberate design decision to make the sensors more robust against water intrusion. I can see the merit in that. It seems like they market more towards over the road commercial vehicles. Maybe that is part of the reason?
Looks like the choice of replaceable batteries would be one of the points to consider. I guess for an occasional use vehicle where the sensors are removed to protect battery life, it might not be an issue. However, in your case as a fulltimer, battery life becomes a more important issue. Thanks for the useful information.
Best of luck with your EZEE system.
Larry,
Understood, thanks for the info. I appreciate that Doran is producing their circuit boards and do at least final assembly and testing from their Cincinnati, Ohio, US manufacturing facility. Seems like a solid company with well engineered products.
Doran handles individual tire configurations, tire pressure display and warning parameters very well. Ease of monitoring individual tire temperature is on my wish list, so still shopping around...
Does anyone ever buy/replace lazy daze steels wheels and the liner with Alcoa aluminum wheels are another brand of aluminum wheels and would this solve one of the problems needing valve extensions.? Might be a lot easier to check pressure? Also it would also be better ride maybe? Sorry if this has been discussed earlier. I did hate the wheel stimulators on my old bounder.
Does anyone ever buy/replace lazy daze steels wheels and the liner with Alcoa aluminum wheels are another brand of aluminum wheels and would this solve one of the problems needing valve extensions.? Might be a lot easier to check pressure? Also it would also be better ride maybe? Sorry if this has been discussed earlier.
Aluminum wheels are a cosmetic things, with little positive effect on ride. They do not eliminate the need for extended stems.
They do need to be maintained to prevent the aluminum from corroding to the inner steels wheels, in the rears.
In the rear, only the outside wheels are replaced with aluminum.
Wheel covers only need to be removed when rotating the tires or replacing them.
Larry
Aftermarket TPMS temperature readings can be misleading. Unlike oem sensors positioned on the inside part of the valve, external sensors respond to heating by environmental conditions, and so do not give an accurate indication of tire condition. They may cause unnecessary concern and frequent false alarms where in fact there is no problem at all. Our TPMS has temp readings, but no way to disable the reading, unfortunately.
Steve
Regarding Corky's question about Alcoa wheels, yes, we have those on our LD, as do others. What I say here may not apply to current Alcoas, which I know nothing about. Ours are over 14 years old.
There might be some ride improvement due to more "accurate" wheels but I can't remember any when we made the switch.
Larry is correct, when making this conversion it involves four, not six, aluminum wheels. The inner duals remain steel. Also the front Alcoas are different from the rears. This greatly complicates tire rotation. Can't swap the front and rear tires, or the inner duals to some other position, without dismounting and remounting the tires. But in my experience there is little need to rotate LD tires as mine have always worn very evenly. And they don't seem to need rebalancing much either. With my recently acquired new Michelins I do, however, plan to rotate the rears side-to-side every so often, since the right rears run in a higher heat environment due to the exhaust.
Larry is also correct that you must be careful not to allow corrosion between the two dissimilar metals on the rears to essentially weld them together. I do this by carefully applying a light coating of anti-seize to the mating surfaces, being very careful not to get any on the wheel studs.
Alcoas also require a bit of extra maintenance to keep them looking good, though that may have changed with the newer wheels.
So why bother with Alcoas? Well, I've always hated hub caps and wheel covers. Just something to come loose and cause trouble, with no compensating practical benefit. But my real motivation was simplified pressure checking and airing. I don't like valve extenders for the same reason I don't like wheel covers. With my Alcoas I use metal air-through valve caps on the Alcoa-supplied straight rigid metal valve stems with no extensions. With the proper tire pressure gauge and air chuck on my CO2 inflation system pressure checking and airing is very strait forward.
This is important to me because I've also decided against any sort of TPMS system. I check and adjust tire pressure on the LD and our toad the morning of any day we're moving. That surfaces any significant slow leaks that may have developed since our last move and assures that tire pressures are correct and adjusted for current conditions of altitude and temperature. My daily checks are usually by tire pressure gauge when conditions are the same as on our previous travel day, but I use our airing system if altitude or temps have changed significantly because that will likely mean a need for some pressure adjustment. I also try to check the tires once a day following some stop for fuel or lunch with a digital infrared temperature gauge for any significant variation between tires. Sort of the modern equivalent of tire thumping.
Since this is a TPMS thread I'll go on a bit. I'm a TPMS skeptic. I think original equipment TPMS is great for the average American driver who never checks tire pressure, providing a warning that such neglect has gone too far, but that's not me with my LD.
I don't think TPMS provides much protection from tread separations or blowouts. You won't get much indication until it's happened. And most slow leaks in modern tires are not catastrophic events. Well maintained modern tires if subject to the typical puncture (a nail or screw) will leak slowly, something I'll notice on my pressure checks. But my real beef with TPMS is the distraction it creates, something my wife will tell you I don't need more of. In my case, monitoring ten tires for pressure and temperature, with all the variations in readings that people have reported on here and the potential false alarms due to battery and transmission problems, etc. It just seems too much to me.
So for me the simplicity and reliability of pressure checking and airing the Alcoas is paramount. No brass extensions, no rubber hoses, no wheel liners potentially interfering with any of that. And simple easy access for my gauge and tire chuck. Anything can happen but it's been 15 years with no tire problems on either the LD or our toad.
Finally, FWIW, for airing I use a Powertank system specifically designed for RVs. Pricey but I love it.
Power Tank - - Powertank.com (https://powertank.com)
I know I'm an exception in all this. This is just my system. You should figure out yours. And TPMS remains a possibility in the future as systems become more refined.
Terry,
Where a TPMS is concerned, opinions will vary. That’s a given. Where tire pressure is concerned, like you as with many RV owners, I check my air pressure before travel day whether it’s before a travel adventure or a return trip home or points inbetween.
My Tire Minder TM66 does sound off occasionally to alert me of a rise in air pressure. A quick glance at the monitor satisfies my curiosity and I continue on my way without a second thought.
Without my TPMS actively engaged while heading to Zion a couple of weeks ago, I would have been up that creek so many people have found themselves in. Deep creek without a paddle. I can assure you that my tire did experience a “slow leak” but fast enough that I could see the pressure dropping two pounds every minute or so as I pulled off the freeway.
That same slow leak, if left undetected, would have been far worse than the inconvience of waiting for Coach-Net to bail me out of that quickly rising creek I had found myself in. Flats don’t only happen in the parking lot or out in front of the house.
Many who own RVs have done as you do and have traveled for years without a flat tire. And yes some tire delaminations may not be detected by a TPMS but a blowout is a different story all-together. I’ve read horror stories of the poor coach driver who had no idea that their Toad had experienced a total tire failure until they had pulled off the road.
I won’t go so far as to say that it is a disservice to RV owners to naysay the importance of a TPMS, but I do feel that a reliable TPMS should be investigated and all the options be weighed before you decide not to have one installed. All-In-All they are one more add-on that can help to insure safe travel. They certainly are not a substitute for visually checking your tires condition prior to travel but rather another component to tire safety.
Now onto another aspect of TPMS accuracy. My Tire Minder system states that each Sensor when initially set up MUST be kept with its initiated tire position. So, for example, the front left sensor must remain on the front left tire. When rotating tires, it is important to remove and reinstall each sensor in its original tire position OR reprogram your monitor to reflect the new position of the sensors if they move to another location on the rig.
Honestly, I really feel better with my TPMS (and my solid long tire valve stems) installed and after what happened on our last trip my DW feels the same.
As always YMMV and that’s ok. Safe travels and enjoy the ride.
Kent
Kent,
It would be helpful to know the cause of your slow leak and any potentially relevant factors surrounding it.
My problem with most of the stories of tire disasters is that we rarely get accurate details first hand so as to be able to learn whatever lessons are appropriate. What brand and model of tire? How old were the tires? What was their condition? When was pressure last checked? How did the pressure that was set relate to axle loading? What were the environmental conditions and had they changed since pressure was checked? How fast was the tire driven normally and at the time of the failure?
And when the details are unfavorable do we really hear them? After a problem am I going to tell you that I never bother to check pressure or that my coach is over weight or I was driving 80mph on a hot day? Many of my trips to the dump station demonstrate to me that many RVers have little idea about what they're doing. Should I rely on their stories?
Aviation is the best model for proper forensic analysis of failure incidents. It can take months, or even years, of careful investigation by highly experienced and skeptical professionals before we learn that the cause was nothing like what was first reported. We see virtually nothing like that in the RV world. We just get stories.
Aviation is also the background of my skepticism about warning systems. I flew large jet transports in the USAF for several years. Monitoring and warning systems galore. That often proved erroneous when reporting a problem. Some were acted upon without hesitation (engine fire warning) but most led to lots of backup checks before taking action, to determine if the problem was real or not. Usually not a big deal but could be a problem at a critical moment when attention should have been elsewhere. Simulator training actually addresses this by piling on failures during critical phases of flight, so that pilots learn to manage the aircraft first and the failure incident second. Another thing we don't get in the RV world.
I'm glad your TPMS saved you some trouble, and perhaps avoided something worse. And I'm not saying others shouldn't use TPMS. I'm just explaining what I do. I'll fly with a pilot who doesn't have a fancy cockpit, but not with one who doesn't use and follow his checklists every time or seems careless about maintaining his airplane.
And I might eventually add TPMS. Especially since I can no longer get Michelin tires in the size required for my toad and so have Firestones on there. :-[
Terry
Terry,
Your experience as a professional pilot adds a lot to your decision for not currently adding a reliable TPMS.
As I said, a TPMS is secondary to common sense tire Maintenance and RV driving skills. A novice may add gasoline and go and treat the RV like a common mode of transportation.
Not many daily commuters check their tire pressure and fluid levels before departure every morning. A savvy RV owner, on the other hand, will have a checklist of procedures that must be adhered to before, during and after travel. My checklist is extensive and is followed rigorously. Hopefully, I’m not the only one, but as you’ve said the junk yards and road sides indicate many RV owners are rather clueless or just don’t care.
My situation was most likely a bit out of the ordinary. I had my 2015 26’ RB weighed shortly after bringing it home from the Mothership late October 2015.
The Michelin’s are OEM with just about 13,000 miles on them. Fronts are set to 60 psi and rears are set to 70 psi. The coach is under weight about a thousand pounds on each axel. Not much has changed since I had RV Weigh give me their seal of approval. Although, I’m due for another weigh in, I’ve worked hard to maintain a balanced weight from side to side.
The slow leak occurred at approximately 10:45 am while heading through Las Vegas. I had adjusted my tire pressure the night prior to departure. At 4:00 am the morning of departure I ran my TPMS scan minutes before hitting the road. Sounds like a police report, huh?
Traffic was as anticipated on the 15 through Vegas-light until approaching a slow down for road construction at the end of town. I travel at 60 mph as a rule and only exceed that for brief periods and even then never break 65 mph.
Weather was fair and the morning air cool at the time I noticed the TPMS slow leak warning. As I slowly made my way off the 15 and onto surface streets the TPMS kept track of my rear right outside tire and indicated it was loosing approximately 2 pounds every couple of minutes. From the initial warning to the parked position behind a Dollar Store less than ten minutes had elapsed. After I called Coach-Net, I manually checked the tires pressure and found it down to 12 pounds.
I used my Viair compressor and brought the tire back up to 70 pounds just before the tire repairman arrived to resolve my issue.
I too am glad my TPMS was able to alert me to the air lose. Robert, the tire tech showed me the small puncture hole in the inside of the tire (I had opted to have the tire repaired on the spot and save my spare for another incident 🧐).
The puncture occurred between the treads of the tire and was possibly caused by a nail attatched to a board that had quickly run away from the scene of the crime after penetrating the tire. Sneaky little rat. Wish I had gotten its license number. Hope it left the rest of the commuters “intact” but I doubt it. Little scalawag.
Anyway, that’s the best of the details. The rest of our trip to Zion was filled with far more excitement. Like the wonderful bike rides and the float we took down the Virgin River. Much better memories and why I keep our rig in tip top shape in the first place.
Ever ready to travel. Hope you do the same.
Kent
The slow leak occurred at approximately 10:45 am while heading through Las Vegas. I had adjusted my tire pressure the night prior to departure. At 4:00 am the morning of departure I ran my TPMS scan minutes before hitting the road. Sounds like a police report, huh?
Weather was fair and the morning air cool at the time I noticed the TPMS slow leak warning. As I slowly made my way off the 15 and onto surface streets the TPMS kept track of my rear right outside tire and indicated it was loosing approximately 2 pounds every couple of minutes. From the initial warning to the parked position behind a Dollar Store less than ten minutes had elapsed. After I called Coach-Net, I manually checked the tires pressure and found it down to 12 pounds.
A slow leak can lead to disaster that cannot be detected until everything hits the fan.
A leaking rear tire can overload its mate, causing it to blow out, leading to the destruction of both tires, plus whatever damage the blow out causes.
A rear tire blow out can cause thousands of dollars of damage to the coach.
A leaking tire on a toad can cause even more damage, up to the destruction of the toad, it's happened to members of this forum.
While a very observant driver may notice something unusual, a TPMS is the only assured way to detect such problems.
I consider a TPMS and a rear-view camera to be essential, especially when towing.
Larry
Larry is correct, when making this conversion it involves four, not six, aluminum wheels. The inner duals remain steel. Also the front Alcoas are different from the rears. This greatly complicates tire rotation. Can't swap the front and rear tires, or the inner duals to some other position, without dismounting and remounting the tires. But in my experience there is little need to rotate LD tires as mine have always worn very evenly. And they don't seem to need rebalancing much either.
You can buy durabrite versions that are polished on both sides, so that you can rotate front to back from my (theoretical) understanding. The durabrite will also hopeful reduce the maintenance. Alcoa 160280DB.
Aluminum wheels are a cosmetic things, with little positive effect on ride. They do not eliminate the need for extended stems.
They do need to be maintained to prevent the aluminum from corroding to the inner steels wheels, in the rears.
In the rear, only the outside wheels are replaced with aluminum.
Wheel covers only need to be removed when rotating the tires or replacing them.
It is my understanding that with the 8 hole design of the alcoa wheels, the inner stems will be far more accessible, and can be filled with a standard extended 2 way chuck. If the inner wheels were not steel, wouldn't the aluminum still need to be maintained to prevent the bond between the aluminum wheel and the steel hub? For example, the front wheels could have this problem, just like on any other car with alloy wheels. Once again, my knowledge is only from reading. I have no hands on experience.
I am considering Valor Internal TPMS because they will be mounted inside the tire on the wheel, have temp sensors, will not inhibit filling, can handle multiple trailer scenarios, and have a 5-7 year lifetime, which will equal that of the tires. Their drawback is no replaceable batteries and a ~$50 unit cost.
Wade
Usual disclaimer of due diligence.
Would you mind giving advice based on your experience please? Direct/Indirect, model, reception issues...
Usual disclaimer of due diligence.
Would you mind giving advice based on your experience please? Direct/Indirect, model, reception issues...
The Lazy Daze Companion is your friend. The Lazy Daze Companion: Tire Pressure Management Systems (TPMS) (https://lazydazearticles.blogspot.com/search/label/Tire%20Pressure%20Management%20Systems%20%28TPMS%29)
Chris
The Lazy Daze Companion is your friend. The Lazy Daze Companion: Tire Pressure Management Systems (TPMS) (https://lazydazearticles.blogspot.com/search/label/Tire%20Pressure%20Management%20Systems%20%28TPMS%29)
As is searching the forum ;)
There have many useful posts regarding TPMS. Unfortunately, most of them are several years old. There have been many technical changes and upgrades in recent years. Before I invest in a system I am wondering if any members have current info and opinions and which one to buy, and why. As always, thanks for the help and advice. Gale
There have many useful posts regarding TPMS. Unfortunately, most of them are several years old. There have been many technical changes and upgrades in recent years. Before I invest in a system I am wondering if any members have current info and opinions and which one to buy, and why. As always, thanks for the help and advice. Gale
New info will be helpful. Since this is a long thread with useful historic data, I've merged your question with the ongoing thread, Galelynn.
Chris
I scrolled thru the whole list to update my entries to discover my entries are in threads other than this one.
The short story: I bought the TST 507 with a black and white monitory, 10 flow thru sensors, and a repeater for the rear of the LD in 2014 before taking delivery. I never needed the repeater. I have had one catastrophic tire failure which the TPMS noted, and one non-pressure loss tread separation. I have replaced batteries a few times. I have had 4 sensor failures: two when taking the towd thru a car wash (one Dee Ten Tee error), one on the towd scraping a curb and one broken by an installer when putting on a new tire. I did upgrade to the color monitor a few years ago. This year at Quartzite I needed to replace the one the installer broke, and purchased 4 new non-flowthru sensors for the towd. The flow thru has a higher profile and represented the reason for 3 failures.
They system has worked very well, the user not as well....
YMMV
Joel
I reviewed the recommendations from this forum and based upon members comments bought the Pressure Pro TPMS system with 10 sensors, six for the LD and four for the Jeep. The non-flow-through sensors don't have replaceable batteries. The rep suggested that I take them off when not using the coach for over a month and putting them all in the fridge.
Easy set up, no repeater necessary, trouble free in the last three trips in six months. I do take the sensors off the Jeep when we go wheeling on trips, and then just put them back on when we move to the next place. I do enjoy the peace of mind I get being able to see the tire pressure on the Jeep as we are flat towing.
Good luck with your decision.
Harold
By the way, as I was reviewing members comments, I made a spread sheet with the brand of TPMS, the number (and names) of the recommending members, and pertinent comments/concerns for each brand. This condensed the information and made the decision easier for me.
HD
Yahoo Message Number: 144664 (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/lifewithalazydazerv/conversations/messages/144664)
After reading that Andy was going with the Pressure Pro, my decision was made. Andy researches to the nth and he has not led me wrong yet!
Bob in FL SE 5
On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 4:38 PM, "cindybeck123@..." wrote:
Who is this "Andy" and where can I stalk his posts?
By the way, as I was reviewing members comments, I made a spread sheet with the brand of TPMS, the number (and names) of the recommending members, and pertinent comments/concerns for each brand. This condensed the information and made the decision easier for me.
HD
What did you come up with :D ?
What did you come up with :D ?
Harold said in his message he bought Pressure Pro.
Andy was our moderator for many years. I took over after he "retired" 4 years ago. Although he no longer has a Lazy Daze, he still is active on this forum and you can "stalk" his posts as he posts them here.
Chris
I made a spread sheet with the brand of TPMS, the number (and names) of the recommending members, and pertinent comments/concerns for each brand.
HD
Hey Harold - I am looking to install a TPMS. Wondering if I can see your spreadsheet. Also, Where did you buy your system from and approximately how much did it cost.
Thinking I would want one that has its own monitoring panel - not just on a phone app. as my Dad might be driving this from time to time and does not have a smart phone.
Thanks! Jodi
Hi Jodi,
Welcome to the Lazy Daze family!
You will find the Lazy Daze Companion a useful resource.
The Lazy Daze Companion: Tire Pressure Management Systems (TPMS) (http://lazydazearticles.blogspot.com/search/label/Tire%20Pressure%20Management%20Systems%20%28TPMS%29)
After comparing brands, we went with the TST (Truck System Technology), with flow through caps. The system is versatile and reliable. I purchased from TechnoRV.com. The owners are full time RVers and their model is to research options and then recommend and sell the one option they feel is best. You may wish to watch their video tutorials and product reviews on TPMS.
TechnoRV - Learn Here. Buy Here. Get Support Here. (https://www.technorv.com/)
Happy Trails!
Warren
Jodi,
I installed the system linked to below a year ago or so. Separate display, user friendly, easy to install. Took a 2500 mile trip soon after. It was nice to be able to check pressures\temperatures of the tires any time. Last August, I discovered a problem with a couple of the sensors. I contacted Steve at L&S Safety regarding them. He asked me to send them in for him to test. I did so, and received two replacement sensors within a week. Great customer service and support from L&S Safety!
Bill
Pulse Package + 6 Pulse Sensors - Tire Pressure Monitor (https://tirepressuremonitor.com/product/pulse-package-6-pulse-sensors/)
Jodi,
Curious which tire monitoring system you went with.
Figured now would be a good time to install this on the LD.
One problem I have is viewing screens when there is abundant sunlight.
I was looking at the TST 507 with flow through caps.
Thanks, Kimberley
I use the TPMS BY TRUCK SYSTEMS TECHNOLOGY...pressure and temp monitored. I ordered mine from Alice at ACCENT MY RIDE IN Dulutch, Ga. I use it on my casita. I did not have to use the repeater on the casita. You may not need it unless you have a toad with the sensors on it. I paid 239.00 for the 2 sensor set with the repeater. A bargain compared to what the company sells them for. Of course you would need a.total of 6 or 7 (spare tire) for the LD.
accentmyride@outlook.com
TST-507-D 507 GRAYSCALE DISPLAY
2 sensors and a repeator ( you may nonot need the repeator) my monitor was in my Pathfinder and the casita wheels were a good 23 or 24 feet back).
I got the TST system w/ flow-thru sensors before I picked up the rig in 2014. Got the repeater but never needed it.
I switched to the lower profile non-flow sensors on the tow'd after I broke 2 in a carwash when I forgot to take them off and a 3rd running up against a high curb. The tow'd sensors are read without a problem, and in fact with the RV in the side yard it picks up the towd sensors with the car in the distant bay in the garage.
Those flow through sensors are really nice. I’m sure they are more convenient than the ones I have, which you have to remove to air up the tire. However, there is a big price difference! I paid ~$150 for this setup:
Tymate Tire Pressure Monitoring System for RV Trailer - Solar Charge, 5 Alarm Modes, Auto Backlight & Sleep & Awake Mode, Tire Position Exchange, with 6 External Tmps Sensor (0-87 psi) and A Repeater:
Amazon.com: Tymate Tire Pressure Monitoring System for RV Trailer - Solar... (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B07PP55QF9/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_1HEXMDCMN65KGEJSWZ24http://www.amazon.com/dp/B07PP55QF9/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_1HEXMDCMN65KGEJSWZ24)
I did not need to use the repeater. The signal is fine on my 22’ rig. I really do rely on it and keep a close eye on it every trip.
I was reconsidering the flow thru system, as long as I have that tool they provide handy next to the tire gauge for the locking nut, the lower profile one may work better. Kansas roads can get very hot in the summer.
Flow-thru sensors have the disadvantage of sticking out farther than non-flow-thru sensors, where they can get hit.
If the tires are good, adding air should be something that isn't done often. When adding air, I set them at five pounds more than the recommended pressure to allow for slow leakage and lengthening the time between adding air.
Using the TPMS to check the tire pressure eliminates air lost during the pressure checks.
At some point, the flow-thru valve's disadvantages outweigh their advantages, a choice for the buyer to decide.
Larry
After one slow leak, and losing two flowthroughs on the CR-V in the car wash, I switched to the TST internal sensors. I am very satisfied with them. In addition to avoiding exposure to damage, they are not vulnerable to theft, and are in place for wheel balancing.
The downside is cost, the need for having them installed at the tire shop, and sending them back to TST after ~5 years to replace batteries.
I had intermittent dropouts of signal from the CR-V flowthrough sensors until I bought the extender. I haven’t verified whether the extender is still needed with the internal sensors.
I have been using the TST non-flow through sensors for many years and do not find it inconvenient for balancing the air pressure in all the tires. I do have the Borg extended valves which helps. The TST tells me when it is time to add air.